living off their laurels?

Discussion in 'General Handgun Discussion' started by DodgerBlue, May 31, 2011.

  1. DodgerBlue

    DodgerBlue New Member

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    I see alot of gun makers like Walther, Beretta, CZ, and SIG. These were once Europe's finest gun makers.

    Most if not all these makers now make their guns in the U.S. Now, is it coincidence that some of these gun makers have seen a decline in quality?

    I remember when a person would tarred and feathered for even THINKING something bad about SIG. Walther's PPK .380 IMHO one of the sweetest looking guns ever and a German favorite. But I have been told to get in a car and drive as fast as I can to the next county line if I see a Walther PPK made by S&W for sale. And for SIG, they have come under crazy bad reviews on some forums. For example, I was also told to defect to soviet russia if I were to even consider buying a SIG P250. I have read they fall part simply removing it from the box! As for Beretta, Italian made pieces are readily available. Not sure on the CZ

    Kimber, another well known name has seen a lot of rusting on their high dollar guns.

    What gives? Do your job and make good guns already!

    I would say right now, Ruger and Glock seem to be riding highest in quality and CS.
     
  2. mcfroggin

    mcfroggin New Member

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    Agree that Kimber is really disappointing lately. The Solo is having major malfunctions.
     

  3. General_lee

    General_lee New Member

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    I don't know about CZ, haven't heard any bad reviews on them ever:confused:

    I do agree about the rest of the manufacturers you mentioned, but it's not just gun makers that are declining in quality. Porter Cable, once one of the finest makers of electric power tools is now owned by Black and Decker, ever since then there has been an obvious decline in quality and customer service.


    Be it a gun manufacturer, power tool manufacturer, or whatever, the decline in quality just comes down to greed. Make it cheaper to build but charge the same high price= more money in their pockets. It is truly disgusting.
     
  4. WDB

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    Wow you said a mouthfull with out saying much!

    SIG P250. I have read they fall part simply removing it from the box:confused: Where did you get that from?

    I have been told to get in a car and drive as fast as I can to the next county line if I see a Walther PPK made by S&W for sale.
    What kind of car do you drive, how fast are your driving to the county line (that would be insightfull)...no idea what you are expressing.

    I was also told to defect to soviet russia if I were to even consider buying a SIG P250. I don't think you would have to defect you can just book a flight..... take some pictures as I've never been there

    Just gun bashing? you made no reasonable first hand accounts for your thoughts. Please take a few and gather your thoughts based on personal experience or objective information.
     
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  5. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    ...and your point is? How about some actual facts rather than a semi-rant?
     
  6. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    While you're researching your data, how about taking a moment to introduce yourself to the nice folks in the New Member Introductions?l
     
  7. Wambli

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    WOW it is not very often someone sees so much unfounded heresay and bad rumors all glued together into one post. With the current anti-gun lawyer loving climate if SIG put together a gun that fell apart when you take it out of the box they would be sued out of existence. If the rest of those manufacturers were putting out the junk you speak off they would all be out of business.

    Reality is that gun purchases are at an all time high and shooters have never seen this level of variety/quality in firearms, ammunition and accessories.

    Please check your facts before repeating the rumors you've heard in places/forums frequented by the uneducated and inexperienced. It is embarassing to try to pass them off as facts in front of a crew of knowleable folks.
     
  8. cpttango30

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    I have a Kimber and it had a spot of rust only because I didn't coat it with oil properly before storage.

    I'm going to agree with the other guys here Wambli, CA357, WDB.

    Are there poorer quality firearms on the market. Sure there is they are trying to make guns that fit everyone budget. Because not just the rich deserve to own firearms in the USA. If you dislike it here so much I hear they are taking applications in Iraq or Iran. I heard North Korea is looking for Ex Americans as well.
     
  9. Gojubrian

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    I had a Sig that was good quality, I simply didn't like it for whatever reason so I sold it. Therefore your rumor there has been put to rest.

    I have had two Kimber's and NO rust, again, put to rest.

    My CZ SP 01 Tactical is a great gun. Couldn't be happier with it unless it had a straight pull trigger design. Why did you mention CZ?

    Haven't you heard all the crap about the LC9 and LCP? What about the LCR having issues with +p? I read that somewhere so they must be pure crap too!!

    All I have for you is this...... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
     
  10. DodgerBlue

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    If I "disliked" this country so much like you accuse, me and family wouldn't have defended Her during Korea/Vietnam my dad and myself active duty 89-94 Desert Shield/Storm. Instead of hiding behind the constitution we defended it and its beliefs. What about you? what have you done other than make awful thread responses.

    I sometime wonder why good men even bother defending the people of this country any longer.
     
  11. Cnynrat

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    I have over 3000 rounds down the pipe of my Sig P226 without a single problem. 0 FTF and 0 FTE using a variety of FMJ and JHP ammo. I know the Sig DA/SA triggers are not for everyone, but I don't see any reason to fault the quality of the gun.
     
  12. Wambli

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    First off thanks for your's and your fathers service.

    I hope you take the responces you got here in the correct light. The fact is that there is a boatload of misinformation out there and many forums full of newbies and mall ninjas perpetuate them. Way too many folks repeating "information" which they have no first hand knowledge off and passing it off as fact. The internet breeds this kind of behaviour and good companies suffer because of it. So what happens is that you hear these rumors and repeat them without checking your info in a crowd of folks that know better then you will get a rather strong reaction.

    There are plenty of satisfied SIG, Kimber and other quality gun owners here that can tell you (as you have already seen) how good the guns actually are. They are not passing along faulty info. They are giving you an honest assesment fo their real experience.

    Perhaps if you had stated you had read these rumors on other forums and asked if our experience backed them up you would have gotten a more positive response to your thread. Just a thought.
     
  13. mes227

    mes227 New Member

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    Buy a new map, Soviet Russia hasn't existed in decades.
     
  14. Mandy

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    You need to chill buddy, it's ok to disagree, not always you'll hear what you want to hear, take it easy and enjoy the forum.............
     
  15. SoupNazi

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    I have only one pistol that has given me any problems - Walther P22 - all I had to do was make sure and use CCI mini-mags instead of some other cheaper ammo and all is well. All of my other pistols and rifles work just fine whatever the brand...
     
  16. Thebiker

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    Own 3 Sigs, most recent purchased in Feb 2011. No complaints, no problems and no signs of falling apart yet. Don't own a 250, but have fired them and didn't have them fall apart either.
     
  17. Shihan

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    Sig P250 falling apart taking it out of the box???:confused: I don't think so. Let's see how it fires.
    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMW26PxKBcc]YouTube - ‪SIG Shoot‬‏[/ame]

    Looks like it works just fine. It is still in one piece.
    I have no second thoughts about using it for HD/SD purposes.

    Come at him!
     
  18. therewolf

    therewolf New Member

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    Double-post, perdon-moi.
     
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  19. therewolf

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    I think his point is now, finally, jobs are coming back to America.

    How these workers perform not only reflects on the product at

    hand, but either will or will not entice OTHER foreign companies to

    follow suit, and move to America.

    If the workers, as a whole, aren't being sure they produce only the finest

    product possible, this could not only have disastrous short-term

    consequences for them, but could also negatively effect our economy in

    the long run.
     
  20. MB44

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    I used to have a SIG P250 while I was living in South America, and yes I did have problem with it: Just about every 3 to 4 out of 10 rounds I would get a FTE with a double feed as a result. Something the ole' tap-N-rack won't fix. Effectively I had to stop using it as a my carry gun, despite the fact that I really liked everything about this gun (except the reliability to extract obviously.... :()