Live round stuck above bolt

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by eric1229, Jan 28, 2013.

  1. eric1229

    eric1229 New Member

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    Hey all, I was out shooting my colt m4 today and had a double feed. No I have one if the live rounds jammed above the bolt. Any ideas on how to get it out. It seems to be wedged in there right and no wiggle room. Cannot pull ch back to move the bcg rearward. rearwardThanAnysuggestapappreciated or is this some thing a smith should do
     

  2. SSGN_Doc

    SSGN_Doc Well-Known Member

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    Drop mag.
    Pull on charging handle while slamming the buttstock on a bench like a pogo stick. It may take a few slams but it will eventually drive the bolt and carrier out of the way.

    Do make sure the chamber is empty. Engage the safety if you can, as well before beginning the above operation.
     
  3. 03Armory

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    WOW Ive never seen that. Hopefully the primer didnt get struck. Here is what I would do. Point the barrel somewhere safe. Get a strong flat head screw driver thats thin and that is long enough to put the flat end as close to the butt of the brass. Put the flat head between the end of the brass and the bolt. BECAREFUL NOT TO STRIKE THE PRIMER. Try and get the flat head flush with the flat end of the casing. simultaneously pull up on the screw driver which will force the round down into the chamber and pull back on the charging handle. you might bend your charging handle depending on what its made of and how stuck it is but i assume you want this cleared out.

    If that dont work you should be able to take the buttstock off. Unscrew the castle nut which might be hard cause sometimes they lock tight them on. make sure the spring holding the retaining pin doesn't go flying off. once the castle nut is off you should be able to unscrew the buffer tube off. everything else should come off. i dont have a rifle in front of me to verify but it all should come off.

    let me know if you get the round out and how you got it out cause ill be curious how you did. also just curious how did this happen. what kind of magazine ammo grain. etc. if you get time let me know

    i hope you get that out safely good luck. keep me posted if u can.
     
  4. sdiver35

    sdiver35 New Member

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    ^^^This, and keep the port facing away from you and keep your head clear of the muzzle. You could also use an empty case to try and get leverage on the BCG, but you may end up bending your gas tube.
     
  5. 03Armory

    03Armory New Member

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    I hope he tries your idea before mine. I didnt know how jammed it was I was assuming worse case scenerio
     
  6. sdiver35

    sdiver35 New Member

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    03's post got in while typing a response to Doc's post. Please go with SSGN_Doc's method first. It is way easier, but again keep everything in a safe direction (outdoors).

    I've seen this happen as the result of a double-feed.
     
  7. Quentin

    Quentin New Member

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    Mortaring like SSGN_Doc said is good way to try to clear a stuck BCG but collapse the stock before trying it.
     
  8. eric1229

    eric1229 New Member

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    I had replaced the collapsible stock with an a2 type stock and buffer. I will try here shortly when I get home. The bcg and round are wedged nod will not budge but I will try to pogo it out like suggested and if that don't work I will remove the stock, buffer tube ch and bcg. Or the other post it was a magpul pmag (fairly new) and some re manufactorerd ammo from the local indoor shooting range (the only ammo available here). Thanks for the suggestions will try and post results here shortly.
     
  9. kbd512

    kbd512 Well-Known Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Please don't abuse your weapon just to clear a type 4.

    Mortaring your weapon is fine for combat clearing because it generally works and requires no tools, but I prefer using a tool like a wooden or plastic chopstick that won't damage the carbine, an empty cartridge casing that's been flattened, a plastic butter knife, or an empty magazine. The magazine clear won't work if you have optics mounted, but I see you don't, so take your carry handle off (for the magazine clearing method).

    Pull your charging handle back and use a chop stick that won't damage your weapon to pry the cartridge out, if at all possible.

    I can't recommend potentially damaging your carbine to clear a malfunction that you can clear with a tool or by karate chopping your charging handle if you have no tools. The karate chop method may damage the gas tube or it may not. It isn't the chop, but the potential impact of the cartridge into the gas tube that can potentially damage the gas tube. That's why the soft wooden or plastic tools are preferred. Take care to not indent the cartridge's primer with your tool of choice.

    Fingering your carbine won't work if you have small fingers. If you have long fingers, you can clear it that way.

    You don't need to remove the stock, buffer, or any other part of your rifle.

    Bottom line, don't damage your weapon if you don't have to and if you do mortar your weapon, keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction.

    Make sure you check the alignment of your gas tube and gas key when you're done. There should be no nicks or burrs on the key face or tube, the bolt should move freely over the gas tube with no resistance, and function check your weapon after clearing.

    Apart from that, do you mind telling us what type of ammo and magazine you were using in your weapon and the round count on the moving parts? Any modifications to the weapon's operating parts (bolt, bolt carrier, barrel extension, barrel)?
     
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  10. kbd512

    kbd512 Well-Known Member Lifetime Supporter

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    If you have another bolt override and haven't determined the cause (ammo, mags, worn or damaged part, incorrect gunsmithing- if the weapon has had any of its operating components modified or replaced), have a Colt certified armorer go over the carbine.
     
  11. kbd512

    kbd512 Well-Known Member Lifetime Supporter

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    With respect to long fingers for those that have them, place tip of middle finger squarely on face of bolt, use middle finger to push bolt back, run charging handle forward to push the cartridge or casing out. Don't use any more force than is necessary. Doesn't take long, doesn't require any tools, and most men can do it.
     
  12. eric1229

    eric1229 New Member

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    Well I got the round out. Had to tap the bolt back with a piece of dowl rod and the round popped out. No visible damage or anything. Thanks all for the advice lol
     
  13. eric1229

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    By the way the mag was a pretty new pmag and the ammo was pmc. Ndver had a feed issue before so I think it was just an out of nowhere thing. If anyone has any ideas on y it happened share please.
     
  14. CHLChris

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    "No visible damage or anything."

    Any chance your heart will be beating just a little bit harder next time you pull that trigger? Mine would be...
     
  15. eric1229

    eric1229 New Member

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    Not too nervous about it...yet. Took it to a gunsmith after I got it out to inspect it. Figures it is ok. But I guess I'll know for sure when I pull the trigger n let it bark.
     
  16. kbd512

    kbd512 Well-Known Member Lifetime Supporter

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    eric1229, bolt override malfunctions have a variety of causes and it's possible to intentionally or unintentionally induce one. The only question is what you did while the malfunction happened and what you did after.

    The majority of issues that firearms experience are the result of bad ammunition or bad magazines.

    You stated that the magazine was a brand new PMAG. Use the same magazine on your next range trip and see if you have the same problem with the same ammunition. Also, take some M193 from a different manufacturer if you have any available. If you have problems feeding PMC from that PMAG but not Federal XM193, for example, then you probably have an ammunition problem. If you have the same problem with both types of ammunition, you probably have a bad magazine or there may be something wrong with the springs or bolt in your carbine.

    As we still don't know the round count on your carbine's springs and bolt, it's hard to say whether or not it's time to replace any parts on your carbine. All machine tools, to include a Colt AR-15, have service lives, after which time you can expect degraded performance.
     
  17. Tackleberry1

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    Bingo...

    M4's are tough...just fully collapse your adjustable stock then pogo slam the snot out it until your bolt yanks clear.

    These rifles are built for grunts and though I've seen Infantrymen break everything from nods to batyonetts, I've never seen a broken rifle...she can take it...;)

    Tack
     
  18. eric1229

    eric1229 New Member

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    Thanks for the suggestions. I will try some other ammo and see if that is a problem (even though it has not prev been an issue). The firearm over all has prob a little under 1k rounds through it, it's my newer ar platform rifle (purchased on Black Friday 2012, well cleaned and oiled). After I got the round cleared I did notice the bcg was pretty dry though, maybe that had something to do with it, idk.
     
  19. eric1229

    eric1229 New Member

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    Forgot to mention I did replace the stock, buffer tube and spring. Maybe the different buffer spring and weight had something to do with it. Even though it has been functioning fine before this with the changeover?