little help here?

Discussion in 'General Shotgun Discussion' started by CaseyChadwell, Sep 29, 2013.

  1. CaseyChadwell

    CaseyChadwell New Member

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    OK, so Kentucky is making it legal for night hunting coyotes with shotguns because the problem is waaaaaay out of control. I had a Mossberg 500 with the full length tude and 20" cylinder bore barrel. I decided to sell it to a friend and just now picked up a TriStar 20" tactical semi auto 12 gauge. I wanted to keep the 20 inch barrel but wanted interchangeable chokes for hunting. I know a 20 inch barrel will make my yardage suffer, but I was hoping with decent choke tubes I could still get out to 40 or so yards with #4 buckshot (hornady varmint express). My question is this...the gun came with one choke tube (skeet) and I was wondering if it is safe to shoot slugs thru a skeet choke...? I don't know anything about the skeet choke tubes so any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance everyone.
     
  2. Jagermeister

    Jagermeister New Member

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    Nope, nyet, nein. Well, actually, you can, but some slugs damage certain barrels. Also, accuracy suffers, which is a problem hunting those coyotes Find out from the gun and ammo company.
     
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  3. CaseyChadwell

    CaseyChadwell New Member

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    Thanks for your reply sir, but I just realized I may not have made myself clear, sorry about that. I got rid of the 500 and got a TriStar semi auto with a 20" barrel. A neet looking little tactical job with interchangeable choke tubes. I shot slugs from the 500 all the time and loved it, but wanted a semi auto for hunting at night and figured this would be fun to try.
     
  4. CaseyChadwell

    CaseyChadwell New Member

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    I think the rule is going to be you can hunt with a shotgun using something other than single projectile ammunition. I haven't talked to the state fish and game yet, but I would say that will be it. I know the law states shotgun only, so I'm assuming I'll be using #4 buckshot from hornady. That's some mean stuff right there.
     
  5. Jagermeister

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    I accidentally put Mossberg, long day. :eek: I load buck and slugs (alternate) when I hunt boar and fox at the same time with my Mossy. I do realize you bought the new shotgun. I edited my response. My advice does not change though. :confused: Take it or leave. Enjoy the hunt.
     
  6. Jagermeister

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    I have hunted fox with number 1 buck with great results. I bet it would work with the larger coyote. Knock them down right away.
     
  7. CaseyChadwell

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    There's a few people/groups I listen to...when it comes to life its momma and Jesus and when it comes to firearms its anyone that knows more than me :). I will be taking your advice, and thank you very much for giving it sir.
     
  8. Virginian

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    I would definitely pattern the gun with whatever load you choose to use. I have had good results with an Improved Modified choke with both #4 Buck and Dead Coyote loads, but you never know until you shoot stuff in your gun. . Make sure your choke tune is steel rated if you decide to use the Dead Coyote tungsten alloy loads. They do pattern well and carry energy a long way.
     
  9. Jagermeister

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    Dead Coyote Loads? Can you tell me more about this load? I do not get these over here, since we do not have Coyotes? Thanks, Virginian.
     
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  11. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Slugs are OK through a skeet choke tube. You might get better patterns with the $4 Buck with Modified, but you need to pattern it to find out. I have taken coyotes at 65 yards with 000 Buck.
     
  12. CaseyChadwell

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    I would like to save as many of the pelts as I can so I was hoping to stay away from 000&00 buck shot...I figured #4 would be about as good as any...am I wrong? And thanks Robo, does anyone have a general rule as to how much constriction a skeet choke has as apposed to say a cylinder bore?
     
  13. JimRau

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    The 20 inch bbl will not reduce the range at all. No slugs through the screw in choke not specifically made for slugs. BB lead shot would be a good shot for yotes, good retained velocity and weight and good pattern density. #4 Buck may work, but check the patten at the ranges you intend to shoot with different chokes.:)
     
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  14. SRK97

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    A skeet choke is a bit more open then an imp cyl choke. I shoot all of my slug out of my skeet choke unless I bring the rifled barrel.
     
  15. CaseyChadwell

    CaseyChadwell New Member

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    Okay Jim, can you explain that to me? I have always been under the impression that with shorter barrels in a shotgun your range would suffer, from both a tightness to the pattern of the shot and the velocity the shot could get to in such a shorter barrel.
     
  16. Virginian

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    The pattern is determined by the choke, not the length. After about 20" the velocity gain per inch falls off rapidly with modern powders. I haven't shot anything that short, but with heavy magnum loads the difference when you get in the 26" to 28" range is about 25 to 50 feet per second per inch. With black powder, longer barrels were needed to get the velocity, that's where that came from. Somebody is possibly going to jump in and say the powder is all burned in the first 18". Maybe, but all that pressurized gas is still trapped behind the charge, and it is still pushing on it. Otherwise it wouldn't go bang when it exits a 30" barrel.
     
  17. JimRau

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    Shotguns use a small amount of fast burning powder, similar to a handgun. It actually 'burns' in the first few inches of bbl length (12 inches or less). And it has a 1:1 expansion ratio which means the pressure drops off rather fast. Unlike the rifle which has high chamber/bbl pressures the shotgun is a 'low' pressure gun thus the acceleration 'after the burn' is very limited and, again unlike the rifle, the projectile weight of a shotgun is high relative to the powder charge which limits the acceleration past the 18 inch mark.
    So you will see very little velocity increase, even with heavy loads, past the 18 inch mark.
    Also, when selecting a shot size for a shotgun you MUST consider only ONE pellet when the terminal effect is considered. In other words the penetration to get to the vitals has nothing to do with how many hits you get (pattern density), only the ability of the single pellet to cause an effective wound.
    And, as stated above, the choke determines the pattern density, not the bbl length.
    The difference between a 20 inch and 30 inch bbl is you are 10 inches closer to the target with the 30 inch bbl, nothing more.
    Hope this helped,
    Jim:)
     
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  18. CaseyChadwell

    CaseyChadwell New Member

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    Thank you for explaining. Never thought about the small powder charge a shell contains.
     
  19. twoolddogs

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    Casey: You can shoot slugs through a skeet choke without any problem. Skeet chokes utilize 0.002" to 0.006" constriction (depending on manufacturer) which is about 1/2 way between cylinder (no choke) and improved cylinder (0.007" to 0.013" constriction).

    Standard Foster type slugs can be shot through any standard choke, however, full and improved modified chokes are generally not as accurate as more open chokes.

    Sabot type Slugs are best shot through rifled barrels for which they are designed. They can be shot through regular barrels but accuracy suffers.
     
  20. John_Deer

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    Some loads will perform better in your gun than others. Lead BB shot is is just fine for coyote and most guns pattern very well with lead BB shot. Don't use steel shot made for duck hunting. If steel shot is all you can find I would use #4 buckshot.