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Discussion in 'Firearms in the Media' started by Gatoragn, Jun 30, 2020 at 2:39 PM.

  1. Gatoragn

    Gatoragn Well-Known Member Supporter

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  2. Ghost1958

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    Violent people only stop when faced with overwhelming violence in return.

    Contrary to the cliche " violence doesnt solve anything " , all thru history it's been proven that yes in the end game violence has solved most issues .

    It's coming to that. Already has in many places.
     
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  3. Nmwabbit

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    MO revised statutes...
    563.041. Use of physical force in defense of property
    https://www.revisor.mo.gov/main/OneSection.aspx?section=563.041&bid=34961&hl=trespass%u2044

    Since the idiot is an attorney, he has a fool for a client!

    that the idiot is providing “his propagandized side of the story” in the public domain (social media blogs no less..lol) to sway their plight to keep from going to jail and losing his opportunity to practice law and to continue live in that exclusive rich neighbourhood!

    Even w/nice humanistic touch of commenting they are staunch BLM supporters...

    Gatoragn...you did hear about the two children who threw a witch in the oven? Yes a fairy tale but so is the attorney’s...a fairy tale cuz he’s not J.Q.Citizen per se and white, aristocratic, well connected and living in the same complex as the M A Y O R !!!

    His fairy tale will have a happy ending!
     
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  4. Gatoragn

    Gatoragn Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I offered the best I could. I guess you win the day old doughnuts.
     
  5. Nmwabbit

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    An analogy... put the property owner as another ethnicity or same ethnicity but poor and not well connected...social blogs wouldn’t waste the bandwidth...

    Stand your ground concepts “loosely” you do not have to retreat from your attacker!

    nothing said in the concept (case law) bout the concept allows someone leaving a safe haven to accost a mob of trespassers!

    btw thanks nice subject
     
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  6. alsaqr

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    Yep, the idiots broke the gate and entered private property; they met resistance . Now the liberal blissninnies have their soiled panties in wads.
     
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    No, they didn't. They walked right through an unlocked gate.

     
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    I never thought I'd say this but I am 100% in agreement
     
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    I haven't seen a layout of the property in question, nor does any surveillance video seem to have been published showing the full sequence of events on a timeline.

    But it's probably a fair guess that the locked gate to the property was ripped off its hinges prior to them arming-up and confronting the mob of trespassers.

    If that's what occurred, in that time sequence, it's hard to say they were unjustified in showing they wouldn't tolerate further threat to their property or lives. And if direct verbal threats to their lives were hurled, from a "mob" of several (dozens?), there's every justification then to firmly disallow any such implementation of such threats.

    Hard to know from our armchairs, of course, but about the only thing that could make the homeowners' actions (of arming-up) unjustifiable is if it were done AS instigation and initiation of conflict, with THEM issuing their threats visually and otherwise, which subsequently caused the breaking-down of the locked gate to private property, etc. But there's no evidence (or claims, yet) to suggest that that's how it went down.

    All we've got now is a he-said, she-said. The mob claiming one thing, that they were victimized by someone daring to stand up and say "No!" to them; and the homeowners claiming another; that their property was violently entered and death threats were hurled, at which point they took steps to disallow furtherance of those threats.

    Beyond all of that, too, is the simple fact that mob behavior has been escalating, rioting has been prevalent, and the news is full of perps lashing out violently upon people who say "No" to them in even the least way. With all that recent history, that alone is much justification for concern over life, limb, property threats. The riotous mob has shown its colors, and it can easily get deadly if one blinks for a moment.

    That mangled gate's pretty indicative, though, of "mob" and "riot" and apparent intent. Combine with verbal death threats, along with acting in concert in a large group of angry would-be perps ...

    Justifiable, really, unless it can be shown they were over yonder, didn't come onto the property, didn't violently enter, didn't issue death threats.
     
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  10. Gatoragn

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    This Oklahoma county is larger than the state of Rhode Island. After normal duty hours there are two deputies on duty. It may be awhile before law enforcement assistance is on scene. We are encouraged to take care of business.

    In Oklahoma the prosecutor is not required to refer the homicide case to a grand jury. He/she can simply decline to prosecute. Several years ago our prosecutor gave three passes in one 18 month period.

    No need for liberal blissninnies to worry; there is a provision made for those poor downtrodden and discriminated against criminals. The family/friends of the late perp are allowed to petition for a grand jury. There is only one problem, very few folks will sign a petition on behalf of a scumbag who got offed attempting a home invasion or attack.

    This young lady killed a home invader while on the phone to 911. The perps buddy was charged with murder.

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/okla-woman-shoots-kills-intruder911-operators-shoot/story?id=15285605

    Deputies confiscated the lady's single shot shotgun. They gave her a new pump shotgun.
     
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  12. Nmwabbit

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    So we’ve switched TO AN EIGHT YEAR OLDE INCIDENT...REALLY?

    (did it take you long to find sumthing alsaqr?)
    Ps...double barrel is not single shot firearm!

     
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  13. PaBushMan

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    ''Deputies confiscated the lady's single shot shotgun. They gave her a new pump shotgun.''
    Awesome!
     
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    so giddy...but
    Your taking alsaqr’s word, w/o a viable cite.mthey did
    who signed the 4473?
    who paid for it?

    Oh wait call OKC ATF office public admission of a strawman purchase...hummm
     
  15. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member Admin Moderator Lifetime Supporter

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    It was a gift. It would be a straw purchase if she had not been able to buy one for herself due to not being able to pass the background check.
    I bought Balota a gun for Christmas. It was NOT a straw purchase.
     
  16. Gatoragn

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    Ummm, no.

    See the ATF publication Federal Firearms Regulation Reference Guide, 2005, at page 165 (emphasis added):

    The term "straw purchase" is often used in the wrong context. A straw purchase occurs when someone OTHER THAN the actual buyer/transferee attempts to acquire a firearm from a licensed DEALER. If the seller is not a licensed dealer then a straw purchase is impossible.

    If the straw purchaser signs the 4473 they commit perjury as they were NOT the actual buyer. ATF makes it clear on the 4473 that buying a firearm as a "gift" is completely legal as long as the third party is not otherwise prohibited from possessing the firearm.

    A straw purchase is not solely "buying for a prohibited person", but buying on behalf of ANYONE else.....from a licensed dealer.
     
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  19. Nmwabbit

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    Er, umm, excuse me trunk monkey...your kind attention is directed to the current ATF Form 4473, NOTICES, BLAH BLAH section: quote:

    Question 11.a. Actual Transferee/Buyer: For purposes of this form, a person is the actual transferee/buyer if he/she is purchasing the firearm for him/herself or otherwise acquiring the firearm for him/herself. (e.g., redeeming the firearm from pawn, retrieving it from consignment, firearm raffle winner). A person is also the actual transferee/buyer if he/she is legitimately purchasing the firearm as a bona fide gift for a third party. A gift is not bona fide if another person offered or gave the person completing this form money, service(s), or item(s) of value to acquire the firearm for him/her, or if the other person is prohibited by law from receiving or possessing the firearm. Unquote
    https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/4...n-record-over-counter-atf-form-53009/download

    Therefore, w-o-c should be acutely aware if their partner is a prohibited person, therefore, by USC 18, 922 provisions may lawfully give the purchased firearm as a bona fide gift!
     
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  20. Gatoragn

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    https://www.foxnews.com/us/who-is-kimberly-gardner-st-louis-prosecutor

    More about Gardner's investigation into the St. Louis couple, Soros' campaign support, her feud with the state attorney general and the lawsuits against her office:

    She was criticized ahead of the election for releasing a political ad paid for by the Safety and Justice Super PAC that was at least partially funded by liberal billionaire George Soros, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reported.

    The total funds donated by the super PAC were at least $190,750, according to the report, with Soros giving at least $30,000. It was not immediately clear what her campaign budget was or who else contributed.
     
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