Limited snowball experience, can anybody justify this officer's armed reaction?

Discussion in 'The Club House' started by orangello, Dec 21, 2009.

  1. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    OK, i've played in the snow & had a few snowball fights, but probably not as many as some of the more northern members. Can anybody explain why this guy would reasonably need to pull a gun to protest a snowball hitting his SUV? I've been hit by a snowball before, but i don't honestly remember one hitting my car; is it that devestating?

    Officer Draws Gun at Snowball Fight

    VIDEO: Officer Draws Gun at Snowball Fight
    Officer involved is on "non-contact" status
    Updated: Monday, 21 Dec 2009, 8:25 AM EST
    Published : Sunday, 20 Dec 2009, 7:10 PM EST

    Roz Plater
    FOX 5 News
    BY ROZ PLATER/myfoxdc

    WASHINGTON - A veteran D.C. police officer is under investigation. Witnesses say he pulled his gun out after someone hit his vehicle with snowballs.

    It happened at the intersection of 14th and U Streets on Saturday afternoon.

    A group of twenty-somethings was pelting each other with snowballs.

    An amateur photographer captured still pictures of what happened. Several videos are also posted on YouTube. The officer can be seen holding a gun.

    Witnesses tell FOX 5 someone called 9-1-1 after they saw the driver pull out a gun. It was only after a uniformed officer arrived that they discovered the driver was an off-duty police officer.

    At one point on the videos the man identifies himself as Detective Baylor. When someone in the crowd asked if he pulled a gun during the snow fight he replied he did because he was hit with snowballs.

    D.C. Mayor Adrian Fenty told FOX 5 the officer involved is on "non-contact" status while internal affairs investigates.

    The snowball fight was organized on Twitter, and the incident was widely discussed on the social networking site.


    From my limited snowball experience, this guy seems like an overly angry douchebag who probably doesn't need a carry permit or a job that requires one. There is a response from the DC police under that article in the link; hopefully their investigation will conclude with this officer being put in a filing clerk position that doesn't involve interacting with the public or carrying a firearm other than a more maturity level-appropriate Red Ryder BB rifle painted safety orange. That is unless someone can explain why a LEO would need to respond to a snowball fight with a drawn firearm.
     
  2. robocop10mm

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    Pathetic. Too many officers have no clue about the resistance/force continuum or the +1 theory.
     

  3. Yunus

    Yunus New Member

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    Snowballs can be iceballs and could be used as weapons with the same power as a baseball. But that is NOT the case here and the officer knew it. He was not being attacked, his vehicle was being hit with snow balls and the snow we had was very light meaning they pretty much fall apart in the air. Hitting his car is wrong but his reaction is ridiculous as you can see from the video he lost his temper and was out of control.

    He was using the +5 theory :)
     
  4. Southeast of Disorder

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    Snoball fight...or snowball effect?

    What are your thoughts about this story?

    D.C. Police Investigate After Videos Show Officer Waving Gun During Snowball Fight - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News - FOXNews.com

    Frankly, in a snowball fight of that magintude, the detective can't know for sure if someone is going to throw something other than a snowball at him. Secondly, we don't know what the factors are that led up to the detective drawing his pistol.

    I personally believe our law enforcement officers are under too much scrutiny. If he had pulled out his baton, would the media have had the same reaction? Probably not.
     
  5. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    In my opinion, had he simply returned fire with a snowball, he would've probably gotten a round of applause or laughter & lost no respect. This is just disappointing.
     
  6. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/...nybody-justify-officers-armed-reaction-21352/
    I disagree. Somewhere in the crowd of happy snow tossers, a brick tosser may have been waiting to ambush him? If his SUV got hit with a brick, i could understand his reaction better.

    Rather than his gun or baton, why didn't he just pull out a badge & yell for them to move further from the roadway; that would seem very reasonable.

    (This was a response from the other thread. Responding to a post that indicated there may have been someone in the group with something other than a snowball.)
     
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  7. dunerunner

    dunerunner New Member

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    Orangello!! Ding, Ding, Ding!!! We have a Winner!!!
     
  8. Dzscubie

    Dzscubie New Member

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    Actually I think he should have just driven on. He was off duty and in a snow storm; hell let the kids have fun as long as they were not blocking the road or intersection. What was the harm? That cop needs anger management counseling IMO.
     
  9. Southeast of Disorder

    Southeast of Disorder New Member

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    Have you watched the video? This "snowball fight" was an anti-war protest, and no kids were there.
     
  10. Bigguns911

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    Not only gun out but finger on trigger and pushing/verbally assaultive to people in crowd. He is so lucky that the crowd did not got off on him and the responding officers and get someone hurt.

    Looking at the video the people were in the roadway during the snow ball fight but all looked like they were having fun. I did not see anyone punching of assaulting anyone. I think this detective is stressed out and in need of a long vacation.
     
  11. Southeast of Disorder

    Southeast of Disorder New Member

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    This "snowball fight" broke out at an anti-war protest. No kids were involved, and the crowd could have appeared violent to the officer. You're talking about men & women who put their lives on the line everyday. He wouldn't know if anyone is going to throw something other than a snowball.
     
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  12. Dillinger

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    Well, I have to say this is a bit of a shock.

    Having lived in Alaska for a couple of years, I have been in some pretty wicked snowball fights. One fight I remember a kid got hit in the side of the head, it knocked him silly, he lost his equilibrium, fell, hit his head on the ice and needed a few stitches.

    Never ONCE did we have someone pull a gun on us, and we were snowball terrorists. Running around whole neighborhoods, throwing snowballs at each other, throwing snowballs at the mean neighborhood dogs. The whole nine....

    This officer demostrated so many things that were just plain wrong. He had a glock, which you all know I LOVE, and he had his finger on the damn trigger! Over some snowballs?! Really??

    Another middle aged, angry at the world member of "authority" who clearly needs a hug and some counseling.

    I personally hope they fire his *** and put him out on the street this week to show that the DC cops DO care about their image and WILL NOT tolerate this type of ***-hatery.

    If that were a civilian, and a white guy, do any of you not think the entire lamestream media would be having a field day with this??
     
  13. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    That would make his response even less appropriate to me; why provoke a group of protesters into an escalation of violence? They might have started spitting after that.
     
  14. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    Had he been a civilian the uniformed officers who responded to the reports of a person with a gun at a snowball fight probably would have had him facedown in that snow & cuffed in short order, hopefully with no red stains for the snow.
     
  15. Dzscubie

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    Yes I did watch the video, where the hell did you pull that anti-war protest stuff from? Nowhere in the video did they say or indicate it was a protest. IMO the cop was wrong and should be counseled about losing his temper and over reacting. What do you base your opinion on and how can you justify his response?

    I base my opinion on my experience and professional training.
     
  16. cpttango30

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    I am going with robo and scubie seeing as they are the board experts and have been LEO's for a while.

    This guy is nothing more than a turd maker.
     
  17. hunter Joe

    hunter Joe New Member

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    We all have our demons and hopefully the officer will get the help he deserves with his.
     
  18. Gatekeeper

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    Hope they fire him, and charge with brandishing a weapon.
    The idea that he was defending self from potential brick throwers is B.S.
    His hummer got hit and he wanted to be the big man with the gun.
    The guy obviously has a problem and is in the wrong line of work.
     
  19. Yunus

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    Just saw it on the news tonight. The chief of police said she believes his reaction was totally inappropriate. Also the officer has been placed on administrative duty, his duty weapon confiscated. He is a 25 year officer with a clean record and faces anything from reprimand to being removed from the force. His commander also went on record saying he was a good officer but his response was inappropriate but refused further comment until IA finished their investigation. The police also wanted to make sure everyone was aware that the response by uniformed officers was handled appropriately and they were quick on the scene.

    The snowball fight was a planned snowball fight, absolutely no mention of any protesting of anything.
     
  20. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    I can live with that. 25 years or not, he needed to show more intelligence and reserve than to pull a weapon because of a snowball fight. They weren't throwing rocks in the Gaza Strip for crying out loud.