Lessons learned from a off duty officer

Discussion in 'Concealed Carrying & Personal Protection' started by indyfan, Jul 17, 2011.

  1. indyfan

    indyfan New Member

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    This is an old post about an off-duty Officer who was involved in a shoot out at Mcdonalds.

    Someone just shared this with me, it was a good read, you may have read it already, if not here you go

    Lessons learned from an off-duty officer involved in fatal shootout at a McDonald

    and here's a video showing that a few rounds won't just drop an armed suspect instantly

    [ame=http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=df4_1308196520]LiveLeak.com - Suspect Gets 26 Years in Attempted Murder of Officer - Video Released 6/15/11[/ame]
     
  2. Glasshartt

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    Very good read. very true
     

  3. frankie331978

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    That was a shocking read. I don't know how anyone can kill another human being. Shocking!! Sometimes if you try to talk nicely, people would be willing to cooperate with you.
     
  4. mrenfield

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    intense

    It's hard to imagine what it must feel like to do the right thing and have such a horrible outcome. It makes sense though sometimes you gotta let em get away. As far as the video goes that jackass had it coming to shoot at someone who has surrendered is disgusting, thank the lord he was a horrible shot.
     
  5. indyfan

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    You are so right, talking nicely is always the right answer

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    I should of talked nice to that gang member in California that shot at me and shot my girlfriend because he mistaked our car for a rival gang members car and just decided to open fire at us.

    I think you're in the wrong forums Frankie, the Brady campaign forum is elsewhere, try googling it
     
  6. Dzscubie

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    I’m sorry, I don’t think I really understand your comment. :confused: Are you saying the officer in the article should have talked some more to the guy that just robbed the McDonalds? From what I read he identified himself and then the bad guy cut loose on him.

    Other than identifying yourself and telling the guy to drop the gun what other “talking” do you think needs to be done? Trust me, people who use guns, rob people and are caught in the process of doing that are not really receptive to conversation.


    Scubie
     
  7. Vincine

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    Re: Lessons learned from an off-duty officer involved in fatal shootout at a McDonald’s

    Sometimes when you ‘win’, you lose.
     
  8. wmille01

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    stuff like this happens more then it should (robbings, innocents in the crossfire). Training kicks in and thoughts you would normally have go out the window. Just thinking a lot of training that I've seen people doing just involves them, self survival. I can say I would have done the same things in his shoes.
     
  9. JonM

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    this is a perfect example of survivor regret. he is falsely what ifing himself into a bad corner. going down that same path what if he let the goblin go and the goblin on his way out grabbed on of his kids stole a car then brutally raped and strangled the kid... sometimes you do the right thing and bad things still happen. but you CANNOT stand there and do the wrong thing by letting a goblin have his way.

    this vid illustrates perfectly why ccw/oc is so important. note the time frame from when the officer called to the time the police showed. even officers with a vested interest in being there take minutes to arrive.
     
  10. IGETEVEN

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    The lesson learned here is when someone has a gun in their hand, making demands, threats or pointing it and doing both, any defensive action against this individual better be quick, and without hesitation. One can train and train countless various scenarios, but it really hits home when your actions depends on your or your loved one's life, in the final outcome.

    There is always a variable in any given scenario that cannot be counted on in these situations and that's innocent by-stander casualties. Sometimes, sh!t happens.

    I would have most likely handled it the same way.
     
  11. Dennis845

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    Wow, good read! One thing mentioned in the article was pursuit policy changes to protect the innocent public. It would also apply in this officers unexpected situation. First, in retrospect I agree his #1 priority would have been to escort his family personally to safety, although I don't fault him for his public off duty actions. It's a tragic shame that little girl died. Most of the time, as in this police officers encounter, it is not known at the time if a horrific action was committed by the criminal. So the question becomes, do they let a murderer or serial killer flee to protect innocent life at the time, and hope the murderer is caught before he/she kills again? What a tragic event and something to think about as a civilian in public places.
    QUESTION: Standing in the same line at McDonald's right behind or in front of this same officer, and being privy to hear the same information he did, what would you do, help him? IMO, I would get my pretty little derrière immediately out of there. Thoughts? :confused:
     
  12. JonM

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    prolly would have let him provide cover while i got the rest of the peeps out of the building
     
  13. PanBaccha

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    A crowded McDonald's undoubtably crowded with children.
    I knowing the place was being robbed I would have first taken
    my own kids outside to safety then probably waylay the perp
    once he stepped outside with the loot. A nine-year old girl would
    have still been alive today. But then again, hindsight is 20/20.
     
  14. Polygon

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    Wow, when I read about the little girl my heart sank. I can only imagine how that would make me feel if I had been the one in this situation. Yes, it's tragic, but you can't start play the what if game. You never win at the what if game. I agree that I would have made sure that the customer were out before I headed to the back.

    Exactly the right thing to do.
     
  15. Aaron13

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    First post on the forms. Hi guys.

    Reading stuff like this really shows how huge of a responsibility ccw is, realistically I don't now how I would react in a situation like that. it's one thing to sit behind a key board and say what'd you do, or be in a classroom and talk about what you would do. Whole different story when it's in your face.
    I'm getting my ccw very soon, just waiting for the card to come in the mail now, reading stuff like this and hearing various people stories is a great help.
    Glad I found this forum.
     
  16. trex1310

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    "I guess we'll all just turn in our sixguns to the bartender and start hoeing spuds."

    You definitely don't need to be carrying a gun. While you are talking nice to them they will
    take it away from you and kill you with it.
     
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