Legal SBR in a vehicle?

Discussion in 'Concealed Carrying & Personal Protection' started by TekGreg, Jun 11, 2013.

  1. TekGreg

    TekGreg Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    I was recently speaking to a local gunsmith who showed me his PDW which was a custom-built AR-15 sporting a Magpul UBR and 8" barrel which he had legally registered as a SBR (short-barrelled rifle) and carried his $200 tax stamp.

    Now, in some states (my state of Ohio included), when you have a CCW, you can carry a loaded pistol in your car, but ALL long guns must be transported unloaded, with the ammo secured separately, making it hard on people that believe "A pistol is only used to get you to a REAL weapon." So this gunsmith points out that the rear of the UBR can be completely removed, leaving only the buffer tube and the cheek weld that is fastened to the top of the buffer tube. In our state, that 8" barrel and no buttstock qualifies the converted weapon legally as a "pistol." So, it is his claim that the buttstock-less weapon can be legally carried in a vehicle, loaded, the same as any other CCW-legal "pistol." I know we can carry the ARs manufactured as pistols in our vehicles, but those are registered as pistols.

    My question is: Does removing the rear of the stock, leaving the buffer tube, legally make this a pistol capable of being carried in a vehicle, even though its tax stamp reads "Short-barrelled Rifle?" Or is this poking around for a 7-year term at Leavenworth, KS? It sounded a little risky and I was hoping someone familiar with NFA regs could give an informed opinion.
     
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  2. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    I thought a lower had to choose its...persuasion at build time? It's either a pistol lower or a rifle lower, or am I remembering wrong?
     

  3. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    A SBR is not a pistol.
    One is not to turn a rifle into a pistol.
    If it is a pistol, then the sbr does not apply.

    ATF has strict rules about what is what.
    I recommend that you go to the source (ATF) and ask their opinion
     
  4. clr8ter

    clr8ter New Member

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    Yeah, that's what I thought, too. When you build, you must choose pistol or rifle. No switching. And by adding or subtracting a stock, you are switching. Sounds like he's lookin' for trouble. Which is odd, since he's a gunsmith, and has a legal SBR.....
     
  5. MisterMcCool

    MisterMcCool Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Why not just purchase an AR pistol?
     
  6. clr8ter

    clr8ter New Member

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    Because an Ar's a rifle? And I hear they're hard to find....
     
  7. TekGreg

    TekGreg Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Okay, thanks guys, for confirming what I already thought. Playing with the build status of an NFA weapon sounds very, very Bad.
     
  8. sniper762

    sniper762 New Member

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    ar's can be bought or built as a pistol with nothing more than ffl paperwork.
     
  9. clr8ter

    clr8ter New Member

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    It's just a matter of check a box on the paperwork? I thought it had to be logged as a pistol at time of manufacture, or something like that.....how come you very rarely see AR pistols? (Or maybe I don't pay attention.)
     
  10. MisterMcCool

    MisterMcCool Well-Known Member Supporter

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    They aren't all that popular, but I see them online and at gun shows.
     

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  11. purehavoc

    purehavoc New Member

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    I had one built as a pistol while I had a sbr lower in limbo waiting on a tax stamp. I never shot it much as I didnt feel I shot it as accuratly. Had I practiced with it , more im sure I could have been more accurate. Now on to the sbr to pistol conversion , this is not legal . It could have been a pistol lower at one time and converted to a sbr , but there is no going back to a pistol EVER!!!! once wears a stock and its registered as any type of rifle including a SBRifle
     
  12. MattShlock

    MattShlock New Member

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    Maybe it's me but is it so hard to slap a mag into a longarm and charge it? Your not going to drive around with it in the passenger's seat anyway son...