Least Recoil/Muzzle-Flip on a 9mm

Discussion in 'Semi-Auto Handguns' started by vulgar_hands, May 29, 2012.

  1. vulgar_hands

    vulgar_hands New Member

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    Wanted to narrow down the pistols you all thought was the softest shooting or had the least flip.
    Now I know there are a lot of external factors that come into play when shooting (like grip and the Ammo used) But I wanted to talk strictly about the guns dynamic capabilities to absorb recoil and reduce muzzle flip. So without further due, my short list is in two categories are...

    All metal frame: Beretta m9/92
    This gun just spits lead like a squirt gun does water. The overall weight of the pistol absorbs much of the forces right off the back. Muzzle flip is honed in with a giant ergonomic grip, the lengthy 5" exposed barrel and most importantly a cut out slide reducing much of the reward weight coming back to flip up during the cycle.

    Polymer Frame: Steyr m9
    This little polymer amazes me every time I shoot it. Its a simple recipe, The combination of an extremely high grip with an extremely low bore goes a long way. the grip angle makes you point with your finger (think Glock angle) instead of your pointing with your fist (think 1911) and you really have the ability to soak in every shot and be ready for the next with this pistol.

    Honorable mentions would be the sig p226, Cz75, and M&P 9
     

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  2. therewolf

    therewolf New Member

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    As much as I like the 92, the polymers

    absorb a lot of recoil.

    IMO, the real advantage of the Beretta is the

    grip, overall design, size and weight, which, for

    your parameters, works for, rather than against the gun.

    IMHO, in most cases VS polymers, the 92 flips more,

    but is easier to control. YMMV...
     

  3. vulgar_hands

    vulgar_hands New Member

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    My understanding is a Gun's recoil is a function of the weight or mass of the gun relative to the mass times velocity of the projectile leaving the barrel. In other words, the heavier the gun, the LESS energy/recoil being transferred, the lighter the gun, the MORE energy/Recoil.
    Perceived recoil is more or less the recoil springs ability to transfer that energy over time. Perceived recoil is also the way the gun is engineered, ( grip serrations, grip angle, Bore Axis ect ect)
    I haven't thought of polymers absorbing more recoil or perceived recoil, than metal frames is simply because Ive never notice the frame flex at all when I shoot. I imagine if a frame flexed a considerable amount, then yes, I would consider the frame a major component in recoil absorption.
    Perhaps you can help me see more clearly regarding this idea.
     
  4. therewolf

    therewolf New Member

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    My experience isn't theoretical, it's from shooting said pistols.

    The plastic pistols seem to soak up more recoil than my 92s to me.

    The 92s also seem more controllable. But this is just my perceptions

    from actually shooting the guns.

    Your theories do sound better, however...
     
  5. linuxuser3890

    linuxuser3890 New Member

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    You are getting into a certain part of physics known as impact forces. Think about a nail being struck by a hammer. The force generated is a function of how long the hammer is in contact with the nail. Same for say a kicker in football. The same force could be applied to the ball or the nail without impact but it wouldn't be the same.
     
  6. canebrake

    canebrake New Member

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    The Browning Hi Power hands down!

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  7. vulgar_hands

    vulgar_hands New Member

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    Agreed, this is why I believe a heavier will have a greater inertial mass therefore pistol will recoil less than a lighter one with a lower lesser inertial mass regardless of composition (polymer/metal framed) That having been said, in general metal framed guns tend to be heavier, with the exception of some aluminum or titanium framed pistols.
    Perhaps therewolf is talking about the elasticity of polymers when the collision occurs between frame and slide. Again, I have found that polymers were designed to be just as ridged as metal frames although at some level I'm sure a polymer frame is less elastic than metal, just so little that the difference is negligible.
    Thanks for engaging in this discussion.
    Back to the question at hand. What pistol do you find recoils and flips least for you?
     
  8. vulgar_hands

    vulgar_hands New Member

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    Great choice. I've never owned one, but after shooting one it made me want to. They're such smooth operators and scary acurate!
     
  9. vulgar_hands

    vulgar_hands New Member

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    Your right, this is a subjective inquiry based on perceptions and the answer resides in each individual shooter. That been said, what is your answer? Which 9mm do you find easiest to control?
     
  10. onetuza

    onetuza New Member

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    Smith & Wesson M&P line, without a doubt.
     
  11. vulgar_hands

    vulgar_hands New Member

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    Yeah, those really took the polymer world by storm. My only gripe with those are the trigger, but in the muzzle flip department they are one of the best. I think the main reasons for it are because of the amazingly ergonomic grip, and low bore axis.
     
  12. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    For me, the most controllable is a tie between the SIG P226 (US M-11) and the Beretta. (US M-9)

    I really like the Browning as well, but it's only offered in single action.
     
  13. therewolf

    therewolf New Member

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    I think when I stated in my last post

    "the 92s also seem more controllable" , yep. That's

    my FINAL ANSWER, Regis.
     
  14. Overkill0084

    Overkill0084 Active Member

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    I'd be willing to bet that an EAA Witness (Steel, large frame) in 9 mm would be quite the softy. It's pretty mild in .45 Also full sized steel 1911s in 9 mm are pretty mild..
    Polymer? Not sure, but I would imagine that the XDm 5.25 would be a contender.
     
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  15. oli700

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    Without a doubt the CZ 75 SP-01 is the lightest recoiling 9mm. 19 rounds very fast and controlled....and there is no grip like it on any other pistol
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  16. Koenig041

    Koenig041 New Member

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    Big fan of the Steyr m9. controlable recoil. More straight back than muzzle flip. I also have a high power clone, Arcus 98DA. Tack driver, crazy tight groups. The most accurate 9mm ever has to be the H&K P7 psp. It was our duty weapon for 3 years. Can't beat a fixed barrel handgun for accuracy. It was gas operated and the spring was huge, it wrapped around the barrel, hence absorbing and controling a lot of the recoil.
     
  17. HOSSFLY

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    Have vote for the 1911-
    My steel full sized 1911 9er is about the mildest 9mm i've ever fired :)

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  18. Agent_H

    Agent_H New Member

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    Not having shot every 9mm out There I can only go with experience. My well worn Sig 226 was a very soft shooter.
     
  19. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    cz75 is the most pleasent 9mm ive ever shot.
     
  20. Byron0022

    Byron0022 New Member

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    CZ P07 is pretty sweet 9mm too. Very affordable as well.