Latest pics of 3rd prototype water cooled/air cooled Ruger 10/22 rifle

Discussion in '.22 Rifle/Rimfire Discussion' started by Bill_Akins, Oct 3, 2010.

  1. Bill_Akins

    Bill_Akins New Member

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    Here's the latest photos of my 3rd prototype machine gun dress up kit stock for the Ruger 10/22.

    No modifications of any kind are done to the Ruger 10/22 receiver. It is still factory stock.

    3rd prototype, (2nd water cooled prototype) that also quick changes to an air cooled model in just a few seconds. All that's left to do is to fabricate the sights like I did on the last 2nd prototype and fabricate the tripod mount attachment piece for fitting to a standard camera tripod, drill, tap and install the drain plug and hose, get all the aluminum anodized and attach a crank fire trigger attachment to the trigger guard so it can be crank fired like a Gatling. And then get my production line set up. I got several quotes from machine shops for quantities on the parts, and it was just too much. There are actually quite a few parts. And I don't want the hassle of having these made over seas, with shipping and not being able to be there to see and fix any production mistakes. So I have decided to set up my own production line to make these myself in small production lots. Still will be a little while before they are in production, but getting there little by little. All the end user will have to do is get their factory standard stainless steel tapered barrel end threaded to 1/2 x 28 tpi at a local machine shop. I can make the kit easily work with an .092 bull barrel too, by machining the faux receiver front plate a little differently for the bull barrel.

    With 50 rd MWG mag in gun.
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    Quick changed to an air cooled model. Pic taken before I drilled & tapped & added hex button screws to the top cover also before I rounded ejection port ends.

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  2. Shihan

    Shihan Active Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Instead of a crank handle, what about an electric motor to work in the same way. Then it can be wired to a switch on the handles. Novel item.
     

  3. c3shooter

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    Shihan- you just defined a fully automatic weapon!

    BAD SHIHAN! NO COOKIE! :D
     
  4. RadioActiV

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  5. Shihan

    Shihan Active Member Lifetime Supporter

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    What is the difference between an electric motor that pulls the trigger fast and a crank handle that does the same thing?:confused:
     
  6. HotGuns

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    An electric motor is defined by the ATF as being an automatic weapon.

    A crank fed is a manually operated weapon and is legal.

    Putting an electric motor on a semi auto weapon to make it fire automatically can have you spending 10,000$ for a 10 year stay at the Club Fed if the ATF catches you.

    That is the difference.
     
  7. Shihan

    Shihan Active Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Ooops, I see. :eek:
     
  8. Bill_Akins

    Bill_Akins New Member

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    Thanks RadioActiV. Will do.
     
  9. masterPsmith

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    That would make a great coffee table conversation piece. Keep up the good work..

    Jim..........
     
  10. Bill_Akins

    Bill_Akins New Member

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    Thanks Jim.
     
  11. Bill_Akins

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    Tripod mounted just today.

    I finished making the tripod mount bracket today. I mounted the gun onto the tripod for the first time today and it fits and operates perfectly. I am thinking about welding four small triangular braces on the outside of each bend on the mount bracket though, because I do notice just a slight bit of springiness flexibility in the mount. The welded triangular bend supports will fix that.

    Next I have to fabricate and install the sights, anodize it, and it is finished.

    My air/water cooled convertible 3rd prototype in air cooled configuration
    with mount bracket mounted to heavy duty camera tripod for first time. All below pics taken today.

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    Quickly changed while on the tripod to a truly water cooled version.

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    I like a heavy duty camera tripod because it is very cheap to pick up for anyone anywhere. A good one from a pawn shop for maybe $30. to $35 dollars. I like the heavy duty camera tripod though, not a thin spindly one.
    I couldn't build a tripod less expensive than that, that also has all the adjustments a camera tripod already has. With its legs fully extended it looks somewhat like an MG42 AA tripod, (only with all the neat camera tripod head adjustments the MG42 tripod doesn't have). It is also cheap and easy to paint the tripod to better match the eventual anodized finish/color of the dress up kit.

    1. My tripod has tilt from side to side and the ability to lock that tilt at any point. That means if I am on uneven ground, I can adjust the head of the tripod to be level instead of having to adjust all the legs as in a conventional machine gun tripod.

    2. Elevation and de-elevation and the ability to lock it at any point.

    3. 360% windage and the ability to lock the windage at any point.

    4. I can crank up the tripod pole way past the tripod head, enabling me to get instant height to shoot sitting on a stool or standing. This extra height and adjustment you don't even get on an MG42 AA tripod. Plus, I still have the tripod legs that I can let in or out for any height adjustment I need. But once I have the tripod legs set to an approx height I want, then I can just
    crank up the pole head for whatever exact sighting height I need.

    5. It has a bubble level for both tilt, elevation and for leveling the head to legs.

    6. It is much lighter than a full size MG tripod.

    7. It works using an extremely simple mount bracket that can taken off if desired and another mount bracket can be easily made (if one desires), to fit it too almost any real machine gun tripod. "Coffee Cup Stains" sells plans for a mini Browning tripod (you can build, they don't make them) and with slight adapting of my mount, I have no doubt it would fit on them too. But I prefer the camera tripod mount myself after I multiple test fired them on both types of tripods where I realized it was all I needed for a .22 and had a greater variety of adjustments not normally found on MG tripods.



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  12. masterPsmith

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    Looks like it's comming along quite nice. Would like to see some videos when you get to that point. Would also like to see more detail on the build, if possible. Keep up the good work.


    Jim.......................
     
  13. FreedomFighter69

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    That looks sick ! It's gonna look great when finished. Keep us posted, i'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE THE FINSHED PRODUCT ?
     
  14. Bill_Akins

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    Selecting and mockups of sights

    Although nothing is anodized yet, the following pics give a good representation of how the convertible to air or water cooled, 3rd prototype, dress up stock will look when completed.

    On my first air cooled prototype dress up stock I started on about 4 years ago, I designed it from the start to just have a rear spider sight and tall front sight to resemble a Browning anti-aircraft gun. It had not occurred to me to build a water cooled one yet, not to mention an easily convertible to either air or water cooled one.


    On my first water cooled prototype I used a front sight on the water jacket of my own design that resembles a Browning 1917's hooded front post sight. On the rear I used a sight mount of my own design that holds and allows spring assisted raising of the WW1 Enfield rifle's ladder sight, that I have modified to enable to be used for windage in my sight mount. Works very well and looks historically representative of tripod machine gun's sights from that era my dress up stock resembles.

    After making an air cooled and a water cooled dress up stock. I had taught myself a lot. In looking at both my designs I realized there were improvements I could make. On my 3rd prototype, I redesigned the way the water jacket seals and thus made the water jacket easily removable and able to be replaced in just seconds with a perforated air cooling shroud which has the front sight for the air cooled version built in. Thus by changing out the front end of the stock from one version to the other, you still continue to use the same rear sight but the front sight is replaced.

    So with this 3rd prototype I could have one sighting system for each version that would only change the front sight when switched between versions.

    Or so I thought at first.........

    I agonized and agonized about the sights for a long time. I thought of every possible combination of sights, and how that would factor into ease of building. Something less complicated that can do a better job than something more complicated, all while keeping my requirement that they be aesthetically appealing.

    At first I thought about using the exact same design of of my first water cooled prototype's rear sight, for the rear sight on this 3rd prototype. And in some ways I have done that, but in other ways, I don't use that sight and replace it with a spider AA sight.

    (I also have been experimenting with an enlarged, extended bolt handle design that changes the bolt handle's look dramatically. It needs further testing and evaluation, I haven't had the opportunity to shoot with it yet, but I really like the looks of it and it makes charging the bolt a breeze. It isn't available anywhere not yet anyway. I checked, no one makes the bolt handle I wanted, so if I want it, I have to make it.)

    These mockups show the approximate positions of where the sight will be located. Naturally, I have to mill certain slots and ways to attach some of them, not to mention also construct some of the sights, their bases and brackets. But these mockups give a good general idea of how they will look.

    1. "Four bolt rear sight"
    I call it this because four bolts hold it to the top of the faux receiver.
    This first sight mock up I did was to take the rear sight off my first water cooled prototype and set it on top of the faux receiver of my third prototype as if it were attached. The mount of this sight has four holes in it that correspond to four threaded holes in the top of the faux receiver. Then I put the water jacket on the stock, and set an unattached yet, front sight hood on the front end of the water jacket just for mock up photos. I have not yet constructed the front post that goes under that hood. Here are those pics......

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  15. Bill_Akins

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    Continued from previous post.

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    2. "My easily detachable, triangular bracket, rear sight".

    In looking at my first mockup, I realized that there was a way to attach the rear sight block to the faux receiver without having to drill and thread any holes on top of the faux receiver. I took a piece of black paper and folded it over so it fit over the top of the faux receiver, yet was UNDER the rear sight block, then its folded down portion I cut into a rounded end triangle equidistant to the length of the sight block, and made it project downward where it has a hole on each downward projecting side that corresponds to the already existing attachment point knurled brass nuts and thus secures to the faux receiver. Now if I want to, I can completely remove this "triangular" rear sight bracket and with no holes in the faux receiver's top, you never knew it was there. By designing this rear sight block to be easily removable without leaving unsightly screw holes, This enables me to use other types of sights. Remember, the triangular part going down the side of the faux receiver, is just black paper for mock up evaluation, although it looks more solid in the picture. Here's the triangular bracket rear sight mockup.....

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  16. Bill_Akins

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    Continued from previous post.

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    3. The air cooled 1919a4 style front sight

    Next is my mock up for a 1919a4 style front sight on the air cooled model while still using the triangular rear sight I used on the water cooled model. The front sight mock up sitting on the front sight base of the perforated cooling shroud, is just a piece of foam board cut and painted with black magic marker to look like a 1919a4 receiver front sight that is attached to the shroud rear at the front of the receiver. Which makes for a shorter sight radias, but is authentic to where this style sight was located on the 1919a4.

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    Continued from previous post.

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    4. The air cooled AA spider sight system.

    My 4th sight mockup removes the triangular rear sight & block from the faux receiver (leaving no unsightly threaded holes). Then the 1919a4 type front sight is removed from its slot on the perforated cooling shroud's sight base, and then replaced with a windage adjustable rear AA spider sight while a removable band tall front sight is attached to the muzzle end of the cooling shroud. Thus giving a totally different sighting system. The nice thing with the air cooled version's sights is that you can choose the triangular rear sight and 1919a4 type front sight, or convert it to an AA spider sight with tall front sight version. The tall front sight in the below pics does not have its band built onto it that will fit over the cooling shroud. But you can imagine it. Same as a scope band, but with a tall front sight on top of it. Right now that plastic tall front sight mockup, is just sitting on the end of the cooling shroud held in place by a small blob of grease to keep it temporary stuck to the shroud for mockup evaluation pictures.

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    Continued from previous post.

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    5. The water cooled AA spider sight system.

    This final 5th mockup, is strictly a possibility. It is my least favorite aesthetically compared to the others, but is possible to do without too much trouble other than removing the water jacket's front sight hood and replacing it with a tall front sight on the end of the water jacket to correspond to the height of the rear AA spider sight which I can make attach to the rear of the water jacket. I placed an empty cartridge case on the end of the water jacket to approximate the height of a tall front sight. I'm not sure if it's worth the trouble to make this one if it isn't as appealing as the others. Got to think about this one. What do you think about it?

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    Well that's my sight combination mockups. My personal favorites and preference is to just nix the four screw bracket and go only with the triangular bracket for the ladder rear sight (whenever that rear sight is used), making it removable without any unsightly holes (when uncovered) having to be made. And using that triangular rear sight along with the 1919a4 style front sight when in air cooled configuration. And the AA spider and tall front sight for the air cooled model too. I like the triangular rear sight and the Browning looking hooded post best for the water cooled version.

    I've designed in some modular ability to switch around sights to whatever I want.

    Which ones do you like?



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  19. Bill_Akins

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    Anyone have an opinion/preference of the different sighting systems I proposed in the mockup? Which one do you prefer for both the air and water cooled versions?



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