[krieger_Tactics]

My call sign is Krieger. I am a former Special Forces Green Beret, former personal protective security specialist, and Unconventional Asset Recovery Agent.

In this series of posts I will provide an insight into what weapons, items and equipment I carry based on several factors.

INITITIAL DRAFT
When I began the draft to address the question that I was asked, “What do you carry for your EDC?”, I started by providing an explanation of the “Why I carry what I carry” based on experiences from my life. This writing was in depth. What occurred to me, however was that I’d written a lot, yet not answered the question. I feel that that’s unjust.

So, I’m going to do my best to briefly answer the question (with a bit of supporting information) and in subsequent posts, I’ll provide the “Why’s”.

SITUATIONALLY DEPENDANT
In order to effectively provide the answer to the question of what I carry, I feel that it is important to begin by ensuring that I inform the reader that it all depends on the situation… and the threat… and the restrictions (which are probably the biggest modifier) and the equipment available, and the profile under which I am opearating and the mission. Each of these factors (and more) have an effect on the amount of ammo, items, gear and equipment that I (desire to and attempt to) carry.

LEVELS OF THREAT, RESTRICTIONS AND CARRY ACCOUNTABILITY
If I were to “graph” these factors (which I have not) I could visually demonstrate the decision making process that I apply when selecting my arms and equipment. It has never occurred to me to create an actual “Levels Of Threat” type of matrix or graph from which to base my carry. In the past I have simply examined the situation and then made decisions of what and how much to carry.
That’s very ambiguous and I don’t want to leave you with ambiguity. So, in this first post (Krieger_Tactics EDC – PART 1) I’m going to define what I carry based on (1) an identified threat level of “LOW”, and (2) No restrictions. In subsequent posts I’ll discuss what I select based on the modifiers such as increased restrictions and or increased threat.

LEVEL 1
A. No immediate threat; Potential for criminal activity is extremely low as is terroristic threat.
B. No Restrictions regarding arms, ammo availability nor supporting equipment.

The situation above describes every day norm in the area that I live. While crime in this area is extremely low, it does exist, and at any moment one could find themselves in a life or death situation involving firearms and or multiple assailants.

CARRY CONFIGURATION LEVEL 1
A. Handgun and Ammunition on my person

• 1 x Glock 17 Semi-automatic handgun
• 1 x Glock magazine in the gun
• 5 x Glock magazines in mag carriers on my belt.
• Total Glock magazines on my person: 6 (each with a 17 round capacity; equals 102 rounds).

B. Edged, Improvised, Stabbing, Crushing weapons on my person

• 1 x Spyderco folding knife
• 1 x Cold Steel, Tanto edged, fixed bladed knife
• 3 x improvised stabbing/crushing weapons

C. Medical Equipment and Asset Locating equipment

• 2 x medical kits

D. Signal and Asset Locating equipment

• 1 x flashlight
• 1 x handcuff key
• 4 x equipment for identifying my location and providing to higher
• 3 x equipment for identifying Asset’s location

E. AVAILABLE IN A (STANDARD, NON-MISSION SPECIFIC) BACK PACK

• 1 x pistol caliber carbine
• 2 x soft body armor
• 1 x enhanced medical kit with advanced trauma management items and equipment
• 4 x Glock 17 magazines (17 rounds each)
• 1 x (30 round)Glock magazine
• 1 x (solar) cell phone charger with emergency numbers, Android and iPhone charging cable and mini flashlight
• **Other items not listed due to sensitivity in nature and propriety

E. AVAILABLE IN A FANNY PACK

• 2 x Glock 17 magazines
• 1 x solar powered cell phone charger with Android and iPhone charging cable
• 1 x trauma med kit

F. OTHER AVAILABLE EQUIPMENT
**These items not listed due to sensitivity in nature and propriety

TAKE AWAY
The take away for this post and this series is that I don't have a single EDC that fits every bill. Rather, my EDC varies based on many factors. I attempt to address them and modify what I carry based on these factors.


-Krieger

#PSD #SECURITY #SECURITYTEAM #SHIFTLEADER #AIC #ASSETRECOVERY

 

[Bigcat]

What do you wear on your body for clothes to cover up those mags holders?

 

[j102]

Great post.
A Glock 17 or Glock 19 are my shtf handguns, and the guns I keep in my truck bags or get home bags (with multiple (6) magazines).
On my belt, I carry a Sig P365X with an extra magazine because it’s much easier to carry.
I have read a couple of times that ex-military guys still carry full size guns. Old habits?
Can you please give us an example of the improvised stabbing/crushing weapons you carry?

 

[krieger_Tactics]

Great post.
A Glock 17 or Glock 19 are my shtf handguns, and the guns I keep in my truck bags or get home bags (with multiple (6) magazines).
On my belt, I carry a Sig P365X with an extra magazine because it’s much easier to carry.
I have read a couple of times that ex-military guys still carry full size guns. Old habits?
Can you please give us an example of the improvised stabbing/crushing weapons you carry?

Thank you j102.

I really appreciate the accolades. I know that the readers of this forum are very well educated. I am not above criticism nor being "Fact Checked" (if I might borrow that term) by those who attend. I do not mind being brought to task and having to account for anything I've written or stated. So when anyone here, you, Bigcat or many of the others give the post a thumbs-up, it's good reinforcement that I've not strayed too far off of the common sense trail.

FULL SIZED HANDGUNS
As much as I can I carry a full sized handgun for several reasons:

1. ACUSTOMED
I'm more accoustomed to a full sized Glock 17 than any other gun. When I grab this particular full sized hand gun, my mind does not go through the "OODA loop" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OODA_loop, https://fs.blog/ooda-loop/) process attempting to identify what handgun I am holding, how it functions, is there a grip safety, manual safety, magazine safety, fingerprint safety, DNA safety, facial recognition safety, etc. My mind does not attempt to calculate how many rounds the gun carries, where the magazine release is, nor any of several other points that could cause me to be slower in my presentation (should it come to that) than necessary.

2. SIGHT BASE
The Glock 17 has a longer sight base than the Glock 19. Despite my fancying of myself as an ultra-pistol marksman, the truth is that when I need to apply the principles of precison shooting with a handgun, I need every bit of a sight base that I can acquire.

3. SIZE
Full sized handguns, such as the Glock 17 fit my hand better than the guns such as the Glock 19, the 43 or the 26. I used the 19 for many years. I also caught the palm of my hand in between many a buttplate of a magazine and the bottom of the mag well while performing emergency reloads. That could potentially be attributed to technique... I'd prefer not to have to take responsibility for that though and rather believe that my hand size performs better with a full sized gun.

4. CONCEALMENT
I've spoken with individuals who use handguns such as the Glock 19 due to a supposed "easier to conceal" supposition. In a later post in this series, when I discuss "Limitations" I'll talk about that a bit. For anyone who I've spoken to that prefered a Glock 19 sized weapon to a Glock 17 sized weapon, I felt that they gave up 2 rounds in a magazine and 2 rounds per magazine carried in an effort to better conceal a handgun - that they didn't really have to conceal as much as they liked to profess. I was in the same situations that each of these individuals were in and I carried a full-sized Glock 17 with no issues.

Have I carried a Glock 19 concealed? No. I haven't. When I REALLY had to go ultra-low profile I chose a weapon similar in size to the Smith and Wesson Shield, which is comparative, I believe to the Glock 43.

5. SPECIAL FORCES QUALIFICATION COURSE LESSONS
As a student in the Special Forces Qualification Course two things (relative to this post) were hammered into my mind and I live by them and apply them to my life to this day.

1. A team MUST be able to cross-load ammunition, arm, equipment etc., during the fight.
2. A team MUST be able to make use of equipment, ammunition, arms etc., taken from the enemy during the fight.

5A. CROSS-LOAD CAPABILITY
My weapons platforms are simple: 5.56 AR platform, Glock 17 and .308 bolt action. These platforms provide me with the GREATEST ability to:
1. Crossload with the maximum number of blue force / friendly personnel.
2. Take arms, equipment and ammunition from red force / enemy persons whom I've engaged and neutralized.

5B. BATTLEFIELD RECOVERY
It is my very informal and subjective belief that the Glock 17 is the most numerous handgun in America; Therefore I should be able to support or be supported by blue forces and should I need to perform battlefield recovery, the most likely handgun, magazines, magazine carriers and ammunition that I would find, would be that which would be relative to the Glock 17.

6. STABBING AND CRUSHING WEAPONS
These are the items that I will discuss: (1) Steel Cased Pens, (2) Mini Flashlight.

I carry two-steel cased pens. These are not the pens that are commercially made for the purpose of injuring persons. I have heard that TSA will not allow those particular pens on a flight and will confiscate the pens. The ones that I have are simply steel cased pens that actually write quite well.

I also carry a Surefire flashlight that has a "parapet" styled edge. This edge can be sharpened in order to increase its cutting ability, or simply used as crushing instrument / weapon.

There are other items that I carry, but those I'll save for another day to discuss.


-Krieger

 

[krieger_Tactics]

What do you wear on your body for clothes to cover up those mags holders?

BIGCAT!

Hello to you! I've been out of the net a bit... It's good to see you here and GREAT Question.

I typically wear button down (almost dress) type shirts. I have a fair amount of plaids. I refer to them as urban camouflage and normal jeans.

I also wear T-shirts. That becomes a bit problematic with magazine carriers, so concessions have to be made. That's a later post regarding "Restrictions and Limitations".

But it's not the shirts themselves that conceal the items and equipment.

What conceals the items and equipment is the way that everything is positioned.

For example, I use leather mag carriers because they take up less "Useable" space on my belt, therefore allowing me to carry more items. However, unlike Kydex magazine carriers, they stick out a lot! I've taken the best of the both of their worlds and combined them... My initial reload magazine carrier is Kydex, which has a very low print pattern... Then towards the posterior of my waistline, I use the leather magazine carrier. This location for the leather mag carriers allows the shirt to fall downward over the normal anterior curvature of the spine and thus over the mag carrier. I also predominantly use a leather appendix carry holster. I've taken my Glock and literally pushed it down into the holster in order to make it sit as low as possible.

There are also some jeans where the lowest profile of the pistol's grip is smaller if the appendix carry clip is on the left (as you're wearing it) side of the jeans front button and there are also some jeans where the lowest profile of the pistol's grip is smaller if the appendix carry clip is on the right side of the jeans button.

APPLYING PSYCHOLOGY FOR CONFLICT AVOIDANCE TO CONCEALMENT REQUIREMENTS
There are a few other things that I do as well. One of the things I do in order to conceal arms, munitions and equipment is to simply realize that the average person wants to avoid conflict. A great way to avoid conflict is to ignore people. If I'm the one being ignored as others attempt to avoid conflict, then the measure that I take in order to conceal things are diminished.

I often speak with a person who informs me that people are watching and paying attention to what things are occuring and being said. This isn't true. So when this statement is made I will often look around and speak a bit louder and ask, "Is anyone paying attention to anything that we're doing or saying?" I've never had anyone respond. There's usually no one around that's even close enough to hear me nor to respond and if there is anyone who is close enough they are so caught up in their own lives and their own goings and comings that I don't even equate to a blip on their radar screen.

Point being... the requirement to conceal things is not nearly as great as we might think it is...

-Krieger

 

[Clifffalling]

I would agree on the full size sidearm question. A G17, especially one of the Poly80s for the improved grip angle.
However, i don't carry a full size.
1: i do carry IWB
2: i drive.
The G19 suits IWB/cc better for me being a little shorter on both axes. Especially when driving. I carry at 3 O'clock.

I go back and forth on extra mags. I keep a spare in vehicle. And i know that you dont need extras... until you need them.

But your right, you gotta analyze your situation.
For my sit, crime in general is low. I work from home and travel is limited. Groceries/household items mainly delivered. Practically never out after dark.
Now, should things change in my area... yeah i will change my load out for sure.

Looking at lockers now to start carrying my LBV, 556 pistol, armor, etc. in vehicle again though.

 

[JTJ]

If you want to lighten your load look into Norma NXD 9mm 65 grain fluted bullets or similar. Not recommending them yet as I am just into trying them. Accuracy and control has been very good in a Hellcat. Much lighter recoil. Will penetrate some soft body armor.

 

[krieger_Tactics]

Clifffalling!

Hello! It's been a while! Good to see you've submitted something on this series!

I've never carried a full size IWB. I could definitely see that being difficult. I have carried full size OWB. That alone caused significant issues.

There is also the age old question and situation that you bring up... What do you do with your gun while driving in order to ensure that it is accessible immediately if and when needed. I may have to circle back and address some things here and provide a TTP that I utilize... It's only a stop gap though, not a complete solution to a difficult question.

EXTRA MAGS
1. With regards to an armed assault on my person or being in a Counter-active shooter situation, I don't actually see having to use 6 magazines. Unfortunately, some of the people that I spend the most time with don't carry the Glock 17, nor do they carry spare magazines. I then choose to carry "spare ammo" for them. Granted they would have to "de-link" it (to use an old army machinegun term) in order to use it, but it would be there.

2. In the event that a member of my family is involved in a situation where I am compelled to fight my way to them, secure them and then fight my way back out, I want to ensure that I have the means to do so. Having multiple magazines available is a step towards ensuring that capability.

ANALYZE THE SITUATION
There are times when I am lucky to have a mag in a gun that's "available" and not even on me. That's a very disconserting feeling. There are times when I've felt that I should have left some mags at home. It's a very situationally dependant realm. I don't feel that there's really a right nor a wrong.

SIMILAR SITUATIONS
I also do a fair amount of work from home. Crime is low in my area. I do my very best to be in during the hours of darkness. While the threat may not be apparent 100% of the time, there is just no telling when you might cross paths with it.

We have hogs that weigh a few hundred pounds. While they're happy to go about their business they will not hesitate to attack you at a moment's notice and especially if startled. It's been reported that there's a mountain lion in the area. While a person may survive an attack the end result will still not be enjoyable. We also have coyotes. While a lone coyote would most likely not attack an adult, it has been reported that a pack has targeted single persons. My defense at night against both two and four-legged threats is to be behind locked doors...

-Krieger

I would agree on the full size sidearm question. A G17, especially one of the Poly80s for the improved grip angle.
However, i don't carry a full size.
1: i do carry IWB
2: i drive.
The G19 suits IWB/cc better for me being a little shorter on both axes. Especially when driving. I carry at 3 O'clock.

I go back and forth on extra mags. I keep a spare in vehicle. And i know that you dont need extras... until you need them.

But your right, you gotta analyze your situation.
For my sit, crime in general is low. I work from home and travel is limited. Groceries/household items mainly delivered. Practically never out after dark.
Now, should things change in my area... yeah i will change my load out for sure.

Looking at lockers now to start carrying my LBV, 556 pistol, armor, etc. in vehicle again though.

 

[Clifffalling]

Some fine points. I do carry extra ammo in vehicle that is boxed.
I always have 200 rounds 9mm boxed and vac sealed. And in certain circumstances 240 rounds 5.56 boxed and vac sealed.
Really more for a get home situation.
This is partly why i am looking at a solution for locking up things.
Lockers for vehicles are so expensive though. May just end up with a hardigg type case, but then access can be an issue with mutiple.clamps and padlocks.

 

[j102]

Thank you j102.

I really appreciate the accolades. I know that the readers of this forum are very well educated. I am not above criticism nor being "Fact Checked" (if I might borrow that term) by those who attend. I do not mind being brought to task and having to account for anything I've written or stated. So when anyone here, you, Bigcat or many of the others give the post a thumbs-up, it's good reinforcement that I've not strayed too far off of the common sense trail.

FULL SIZED HANDGUNS
As much as I can I carry a full sized handgun for several reasons:

1. ACUSTOMED
I'm more accoustomed to a full sized Glock 17 than any other gun. When I grab this particular full sized hand gun, my mind does not go through the "OODA loop" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OODA_loop, https://fs.blog/ooda-loop/) process attempting to identify what handgun I am holding, how it functions, is there a grip safety, manual safety, magazine safety, fingerprint safety, DNA safety, facial recognition safety, etc. My mind does not attempt to calculate how many rounds the gun carries, where the magazine release is, nor any of several other points that could cause me to be slower in my presentation (should it come to that) than necessary.

2. SIGHT BASE
The Glock 17 has a longer sight base than the Glock 19. Despite my fancying of myself as an ultra-pistol marksman, the truth is that when I need to apply the principles of precison shooting with a handgun, I need every bit of a sight base that I can acquire.

3. SIZE
Full sized handguns, such as the Glock 17 fit my hand better than the guns such as the Glock 19, the 43 or the 26. I used the 19 for many years. I also caught the palm of my hand in between many a buttplate of a magazine and the bottom of the mag well while performing emergency reloads. That could potentially be attributed to technique... I'd prefer not to have to take responsibility for that though and rather believe that my hand size performs better with a full sized gun.

4. CONCEALMENT
I've spoken with individuals who use handguns such as the Glock 19 due to a supposed "easier to conceal" supposition. In a later post in this series, when I discuss "Limitations" I'll talk about that a bit. For anyone who I've spoken to that prefered a Glock 19 sized weapon to a Glock 17 sized weapon, I felt that they gave up 2 rounds in a magazine and 2 rounds per magazine carried in an effort to better conceal a handgun - that they didn't really have to conceal as much as they liked to profess. I was in the same situations that each of these individuals were in and I carried a full-sized Glock 17 with no issues.

Have I carried a Glock 19 concealed? No. I haven't. When I REALLY had to go ultra-low profile I chose a weapon similar in size to the Smith and Wesson Shield, which is comparative, I believe to the Glock 43.

5. SPECIAL FORCES QUALIFICATION COURSE LESSONS
As a student in the Special Forces Qualification Course two things (relative to this post) were hammered into my mind and I live by them and apply them to my life to this day.

1. A team MUST be able to cross-load ammunition, arm, equipment etc., during the fight.
2. A team MUST be able to make use of equipment, ammunition, arms etc., taken from the enemy during the fight.

5A. CROSS-LOAD CAPABILITY
My weapons platforms are simple: 5.56 AR platform, Glock 17 and .308 bolt action. These platforms provide me with the GREATEST ability to:
1. Crossload with the maximum number of blue force / friendly personnel.
2. Take arms, equipment and ammunition from red force / enemy persons whom I've engaged and neutralized.

5B. BATTLEFIELD RECOVERY
It is my very informal and subjective belief that the Glock 17 is the most numerous handgun in America; Therefore I should be able to support or be supported by blue forces and should I need to perform battlefield recovery, the most likely handgun, magazines, magazine carriers and ammunition that I would find, would be that which would be relative to the Glock 17.

6. STABBING AND CRUSHING WEAPONS
These are the items that I will discuss: (1) Steel Cased Pens, (2) Mini Flashlight.

I carry two-steel cased pens. These are not the pens that are commercially made for the purpose of injuring persons. I have heard that TSA will not allow those particular pens on a flight and will confiscate the pens. The ones that I have are simply steel cased pens that actually write quite well.

I also carry a Surefire flashlight that has a "parapet" styled edge. This edge can be sharpened in order to increase its cutting ability, or simply used as crushing instrument / weapon.

There are other items that I carry, but those I'll save for another day to discuss.


-Krieger

Thank you for replying. I do value your opinion/responses.
I guess I’m taking the easiest route with the Sig P365X. I used to carry a G19 or G26 before getting the Sig.
You are right. A Glock 17 and Glock 19 are better “battle” guns and I actually prefer them, and the reason I use them for home defense and get home handguns.
For the limited time I am out and about, the Sig P365X is a valid choice. But, yes, I should work on carrying the G17/19 more.
I am looking at getting a G45 to keep both truck (get home) bags with magazines that would work on both guns. The G19 will go to my wife.
I could get a second G17, but I like the G45 too, what can I say?
In reference to the most popular Glock, I thought it was the G19. That is what many internet experts say.
The one “advantage” of the G19 (if it fits one hands) is that it can use 15 rounds magazines too, for more magazines choices compared to the G17.

 

[Bigcat]

Krieger,

Great to see you posting again! 🤜🤛
Your points are very well done as usual.
Where do you take your essay skills from, your convincing me you are an Officer after all..

Some random running commentary:

As my military training was primarily with M4 and M9 I do not feel as married to a certain handgun.
My military handgun training was rudimentary, as in the general purpose forces we did everything with M4.

For same reasons as you outline being married to the Glock and especially Glock 17 I am "married" to the AR15 for my tactical rifle.

Since my handgunning is self taught outside the military, I just looked around to what fits me best.
I have been able to compare my duty pistols the M9 and the M17 (hate that their safety is so stiff but that may in part be from being such new systems) with the Smith and Wesson M&P 9 (my former favorite) , the Glock 19 (which I used to own) and the Taurus Millenium Pro line.
And now I am really gung ho about the Taurus Millennium Pro line which has ergonomics that are (at least to me) the best.
It empowers me to shoot fastest , most intuitive and most accurate just like you do with the G17.
The compact version the Taurus G2 and G3c I can match or beat many of my friends/peers when they use full size simply because I am so used to the compact Millenium Pro.
I do own a full size as a night stand gun and also ad a open-carry-in-SHTF.
Full size handguns are simply more effective tools to bring rounds on target so when given the option for open carry I will choose those.

Back on topic.. In a pinch I know I can conceal a fullsize, in all but a southern summer clothes environment.
But I know I can conceal my compact with greater ease/comfort and with run of the mill crooks I feel the firepower of a compact is sufficient.

From what I been told, the SOF community has situations where they employ their fullsize handgun as a primary and that is a concept I have not yet embraced for my philosophy of use but am eager to explore..

I look forward to shooting with you sometime soon.
I think my skill with a compact gun may surprise you, I still expect you will trounce me, but I believe the difference will not be nearly as large as is generally expected when a SOF guy and a GPF guy shoot.

 

[krieger_Tactics]

Thank you for replying. I do value your opinion/responses.
I guess I’m taking the easiest route with the Sig P365X. I used to carry a G19 or G26 before getting the Sig.
You are right. A Glock 17 and Glock 19 are better “battle” guns and I actually prefer them, and the reason I use them for home defense and get home handguns.
For the limited time I am out and about, the Sig P365X is a valid choice. But, yes, I should work on carrying the G17/19 more.
I am looking at getting a G45 to keep both truck (get home) bags with magazines that would work on both guns. The G19 will go to my wife.
I could get a second G17, but I like the G45 too, what can I say?
In reference to the most popular Glock, I thought it was the G19. That is what many internet experts say.
The one “advantage” of the G19 (if it fits one hands) is that it can use 15 rounds magazines too, for more magazines choices compared to the G17.

Hello j102,

I've read many magazines where the editors address select responses from the readers. Often the responses are curt, inadequate to what the reader wrote, or completely off the mark. I intend to avoid these same errors. The best way to avoid them is to address each comment with the respect due. I try to ensure that l do that. Not only that, but as l've written many times, the true jewel of an article comes not from the article but rather from the contribution that the readers leave in the replies. That's where the good stuff is!

Having said all of that l apologize to you if what l wrote seemed like any kind of admonishment, suggestion otherwise regarding what anyone should do. I did not mean it that way. There was no intent regarding what's right or wrong or what anyone should do. Each person should do what works best for their situation and l support that and l'll help them do that the best way that they can.

My intent was only to demonstrate a thought process and why l make the decisions that l make.

As you and the readers of my posts know, l believe that there are many "rote memory" instructors who were taught something by someone who was taught something by someone who was taught something because... well because thst's what they were taught. They have little to no idea why they're dking it. I feel that this is a huge disservice to the community and it's a process that l refuse to participate in.

When someone asks me "Why do you do this?", l believe that l should have an actual answer.

I was only intending on providimg my "why" when l responding... l didn't mean to provide a "You should."

Finally, you bring up a great point - the Glock 19 uses two different magazines whereas the Glock 17 can only use 1. I hadn't thought of that. That's a great point and l appreciate your bringing it up.

I appreciate your additions to the posts as well as everyone else's.

I respect the breadth of knowledge of those who contribute and those who choose to remain silent.

Respectfully,

-Krieger

 

[j102]

Hello j102,

I've read many magazines where the editors address select responses from the readers. Often the responses are curt, inadequate to what the reader wrote, or completely off the mark. I intend to avoid these same errors. The best way to avoid them is to address each comment with the respect due. I try to ensure that l do that. Not only that, but as l've written many times, the true jewel of an article comes not from the article but rather from the contribution that the readers leave in the replies. That's where the good stuff is!

Having said all of that l apologize to you if what l wrote seemed like any kind of admonishment, suggestion otherwise regarding what anyone should do. I did not mean it that way. There was no intent regarding what's right or wrong or what anyone should do. Each person should do what works best for their situation and l support that and l'll help them do that the best way that they can.

My intent was only to demonstrate a thought process and why l make the decisions that l make.

As you and the readers of my posts know, l believe that there are many "rote memory" instructors who were taught something by someone who was taught something by someone who was taught something because... well because thst's what they were taught. They have little to no idea why they're dking it. I feel that this is a huge disservice to the community and it's a process that l refuse to participate in.

When someone asks me "Why do you do this?", l believe that l should have an actual answer.

I was only intending on providimg my "why" when l responding... l didn't mean to provide a "You should."

Finally, you bring up a great point - the Glock 19 uses two different magazines whereas the Glock 17 can only use 1. I hadn't thought of that. That's a great point and l appreciate your bringing it up.

I appreciate your additions to the posts as well as everyone else's.

I respect the breadth of knowledge of those who contribute and those who choose to remain silent.

Respectfully,

-Krieger

Hi Krieger,
No need to apologize. You have not said anything wrong. On the contrary, you have provided valuable information and have done so in a very well written and professional manner.
I appreciate you sharing your experiences and knowledge with us. And in looking to learn more from you and others, I will ask questions and express my own opinions to keep the conversation going.
Please continue sharing your knowledge with us. It is very much appreciated.

 

[j102]

….
Finally, you bring up a great point - the Glock 19 uses two different magazines whereas the Glock 17 can only use 1. I hadn't thought of that. That's a great point and l appreciate your bringing it up.
….

To be honest, I have always questioned which magazines would be easier to find in a TEOTWAWKI situation.
Would that even matter if I carry/keep enough magazines myself for the guns I own?
Would magazines for the Glock 19 (15 rounds) be easier to find than those for the Glock 17 (17 rounds)?
In the US, with so many police officers carrying Glock 17s I think magazines for it (Glock 17) should not be a problem.
I’m assuming that if one can find magazines, one would be able to find the handguns as well.