knife question

Discussion in 'Other Weapons' started by Jess, Dec 11, 2009.

  1. Jess

    Jess New Member

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    So where I go to school I can carry my pistol in my vehicle and leave it in the parking lot but can NOT take it out of my vehicle. So I want a knife...but it still has to fall with in the letter of the law

    4. I recently purchased a double-edged survival knife. Does Michigan law allow me to carry this in my vehicle?

    MCL 750.227 No. A dagger, dirk, stiletto, or double-edged non-folding stabbing instrument of any length, or any other dangerous weapon, except a hunting knife adapted and carried as such, cannot be carried concealed on or about a person, or whether concealed or otherwise in any vehicle operated or occupied by the person, except in their own home, place of business or on other land possessed by the person.

    5. Is it illegal to have a knife with a blade over 3 inches in my possession?

    MCL 750.226 No. Michigan law specifies that a person, with intent to use the knife unlawfully against another, shall not go armed with a knife having a blade over 3 inches in length.


    so i need a 3in blade I suppose, folding not fixed since I obviously won't be hunting, I will be in class. I go to class late at night, and in the *city* and am quite done feeling like I have nothing for safety besides running to my minivan LOL

    sooo what do I get?
     
  2. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    Lots of options in the folding 3 inch blade category. This thread should blow wide open with all sorts of information.

    Okay, you live in Michigan somewhere, right? So most of the time you will be dealing with heavy winter clothes.

    Things like Carhartt and other heavy flannel clothing are pretty resisant to basic cutting. They are that way by design, so I would recommend AGAINST a blade that does not have at least a half serrated edge in a knife that is as small as a 3" blade.

    The reason is, a serrated blade will slash and tear, where a fine blade that is razor sharp will slice, but it may not slice deep enough.

    The down side is that a serrated blade might catch on something and be ripped from your hand. :eek:

    It's a personal decision, but I would think a partially serrated blade would give you a better chance of getting through those outer layers.

    Now, I am NO knife expert. I am basing this on what I have seen in knife videos and what I have experienced with tears and slices on my own Carhartt stuff through the years while working.

    I never had a straight knife go all the way through my Carhartts, but I did have a couple of ragged tears that would be the equivilent of a serrated blade.

    As for good, really good companies to search through:

    SOG knives. They are local to me and a great company with really great, not expensive knives.

    SpyderCo. Another PNW company. Their serrated blades, I believe, are patented and they are really well done. They even have knives in pink. :D

    Cold Steel. Hands down, this company tortures their knives harder than anyone else in the business. I have, about, 10 of their knives and machettes and they are all hard core, high quality knives. Their handles such. They really need some help in that department, but their knives are affordable and they make really, REALLY great blades with a lifetime warranty.

    Of course, you can spend A LOT more on semi custom or full blown custom knives, but I seem to remember you are on a budget and any of those three companies will treat you right.

    Good luck and let us know what you pick.

    JD
     

  3. Franciscomv

    Franciscomv New Member

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    Jess, there are LOTS of good options in the 3" size category. How much are you looking to spend?

    Spyderco, Cold Steel, Kershaw and Benchmade are some of the brands you might want to look at. They make excellent folders and have several models that would fit your requirements.

    I'd suggest a Benchmade Mini-Griptilian (with a pink handle, of course!). The blade is 2.91", the handle is quite comfortable and it uses their patented AXIS lock which is both strong and smooth. They are made from 154CM steel, which is excellent, and come with a variety of blade designs to choose from. And, best of all, can be had for under $60.

    Here's one of them: Benchmade Mini Griptilian, MDP, Plain edge, Pink Handle
     
  4. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    Francisco, you need to change your "Supporting Member" tag to "FTF Blade Expert"

    Another wise and informational post concerning the subject. Thank you sir!!

    JD
     
  5. bowtecbowhunter

    bowtecbowhunter New Member

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    batons

    You could always get 16" police baton it folds up to around 6 or 7 in. and there is no law stating you can't carry it, but I still wouldn't tell anyone because you know how the ANTI'S are these days EVERYTHING IS CONSIDERED A WEAPON.Seems like they'd rather see every body dead than protecting themselves, and if you don't tell anyone and you carry it in tour book bag nobody'll ever know then just put in your coat sleeve when you're ready to leave, hope this helps.
     
  6. dunerunner

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    I like the Buck Bones 870XC. Partially serrated, it has a modified tanto point for more powerful cutting when a slashing move is made. 3" blade with a thumb stud allowing the blade to be opened with one hand.

    From http://www.northamericanknives.com/page/981121 listing various knife steel hardness, edge carrying capability and application.

    420HC knife steel: 420HC steel is a higher carbon version of the 420 steel. 420HC steel has .4 to .5% carbon and about 13% chromium. This is a lesser quality steel but when it is properly treated like Buck Knives does it produces a good general purpose knife steel with good corrosion resistance and edge holding ability.



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  7. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    I love my Kershaw's They are wicked sharp too......
     
  8. Benning Boy

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    If I had to go with pure wicked sharp, I never believed serrated was sharp enough till the Spyderco Harpy. Literally shaving sharp, one hand opening, and just right for grabbing those hard to reach cables that keep the blood pumping.
     

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  9. Dillinger

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    Yeah. Spyderco is one company that does serrated RIGHT. Those blades are sharp enough to snag bone and make an incision....:eek:
     
  10. Jess

    Jess New Member

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    oooh there are TONS of good choices. and pink is fantastic...then the menfolk can't claim it as theirs!!
     
  11. Franciscomv

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    They do make some good serrated blades. I prefer plain edges for 99% of my use (they are just better precision tools for what I do with knives), but some serrated blades make excellent SD choices. From informal tests I ran with a couple of guys I train with, serrated edges are great when things like jacket zippers get in the way.

    Still I only own two or three serrated blade knives out of several hundred. :)

    Jess, do you have a knife store close by where you can play with them in person? Handle ergonomics are a very personal thing, and what works for me might not work for you.

    Besides the Mini-Griptilian I suggested earlier, here are some knives I think would work for you. I've tried to select models that could tackle both SD and utility work and that are under $100 from reputable makers. Most of them are available in plain, serrated or combo edges; some with coated blades or different colour handles (all of which is personal preference).

    I'll only list six so as not too make it too long and boring.

    -Spyderco Delica 4. This knife has been in Spyderco's lineup for years, with slight modifications. The latest version offers excellent blade steel (VG-10), a solid lock (good old lockback, with a Boye dent), the clip can be installed in four different positions. It's slim and lightweight. Costs around $50 and it's probably one of the best modern working knives out there. Spyderco Delica 4, FRN Handle, Plain Edge

    -Spyderco Persistence. It's one of Spyderco's new Chinese made knives, simple but well made. The full flat grind makes the blade very efficient, it comes with nice grippy G-10 handle slabs. I got some of these to sell and ended up keeping one. It just works. Costs $30 or so. Spyderco Persistence, Black G-10 Handle, Plain Edge, Buy 2 or More For $29.95 Each

    -Keshaw Mini Cyclone (it's barely over 3"). Fantastic blade shape, assisted opening (which you can turn off), very well built and made in the US! 13C26 is a decent steel for an EDC knife, not quite up to the nicer premium steels but still good. The edge retention/ease of sharpening ratio is good. You can get it for under $30. Kershaw Mini Cyclone, Black Aluminum Handle, Plain, Speed Assisted

    -Benchmade Mini Presidio. The blade is just a hair under 3", made out of 440C which used to be the standard for custom knife makers and is still a great choice for an EDC folder. It uses Benchmade's AXIS lock (one of my favourite). Costs around $58 Benchmade Mini Presidio Ultra, Axis Lock, Plain Edge

    -Benchmade Mini Pika II. It's part of their Red Class (entry line imported knives), the design is great. I have an older model and still carry it from time to time despite having lots of more expensive knives. Something I love about it is the low profile clip, it looks almost like a pen clip. I carry this one clipped to my shirt pocket. It's a lot of knife for $23. Benchmade Mini-Pika II, Plain Edge

    -Cold Steel Medium Voyager. I've slowly learned to love CS products. I must admit that their advertising techniques kept me from buying their knives for a few years, but I've shed that stupid prejudice and I'm really enjoying some of their products. The Voyager line has just been discontinued, but they are still readily available. The Medium Voyager has a 3" VG-1 blade (it comes in different shapes, I like the clip point) and the handle is sized for small hands. It's up there with the Delica at the top of my list of lightweight folders. $47 Cold Steel Medium Voyager, Zytel Handle, Clip Point, Plain Edge

    I'm not affiliated with knifeworks.com in any way, but they are a good retailer that I wholeheartedly recommend. They've got fair prices and good customer service.

    I selected knives that could be used for both SD and utility tasks because I believe that unless you're getting some intensive knife fighting practice on a regular basis, you're better off with a knife that you'll use several times a day for random cutting chores. At least that will build some muscle memory and familiarity with it.

    Let me know if you've got questions about any model or brands not mentioned so far but that might appeal to you. I don't claim to be any sort of expert, but between my hobby and my little business I've played with lots of sharp toys.
     
  12. Glasshartt

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    I love spydies. I have several pink ones and some "Glasshartt" specials too. Once you get "bit" by a spydie, nothing else will do. Nothing cuts through a tire sidewall like a spydie. ;-)
     
  13. Dzscubie

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    Jess,

    Linda has been a Spyderco dealer for about 12 years or so and really knows the knives.

    She also has a lot in stock that she might give you a really good deal on if you ask her.