Kimber won't eat hollowpoints

Discussion in '1911 Forum' started by Gojubrian, Mar 31, 2010.

  1. Gojubrian

    Gojubrian New Member

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    As many of you know I bought a NIB Kimber pro carry 2 with nite sights a short while ago. I've put 500 rounds of fmj's through it and 100 hollowpoints through it.

    It eats FMJ's all day long, but it doesn't like hollowpoints. I've tried WWB 230grain hollowpoints, DPX 200grain hollowpoints, and 185grain remington's.

    I also use wilson47d's instead of the kimber magazines. The problem is with the feeding. Just about every 4th or 5th round wants to dig downward instead of feeding up and gets stuck. I rack the slide and it's fine, but good grief. I thought I had it fixed for a while when it started feeding them ok, but then it started again.

    Think maybe I need a full size 1911. People seem to complain less about them. Anyone experience this?
     
  2. efaz1

    efaz1 New Member

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    Work on making sure that you are not limp wristing during the recoil, typically as the gun is blown back and up, the bullets go forward and down, sometimes they can snag on the feed ramp due to burrs, gently cycle the action while watching and see if the round gets hung up, you can also carefully give slight down press on the head of the bullet as it loads to see if there is a burr there catching it.
    Third possible cause is the bullet shape itself, not a rounded head and sometimes HP has more burrs, or lip than ball.
     

  3. NGIB

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    Goju, expect a ton of advice to come your way on this one. Mechanically, weak mag springs and a rough feed ramp are 2 very common problem areas. Extractor tension can come into play but since your gun is 100% with ball ammo - probably not. This is fairly common to all sizes of 1911 so switching to a full-size model wont necessarily end the issue.

    There's a real good possibility that there is a combination of mags & ammo your gun will like - it's an expensive search though. As I have a bunch of 1911s, I also have quality mags from different vendors so it makes this "game" a bit easier for me. To make a long story short:

    I'll catch hell for this but when I carry a 1911 it is loaded with 230 grain ball ammo...
     
  4. Gojubrian

    Gojubrian New Member

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    I really don't believe limpwristing is the issue, but I appreciate the advice and will look into it further. I intentionally made sure NOT to limpwrist when I started having this issue. I'm thinking it's a feedramp issue.
     
  5. Gojubrian

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    FMJ for carry! Yeah, I would worry about overpenetration too much to do that myself.

    I think it will be an expensive search indeed to find out what this thing likes. I think I'll have my gunskmith friend look at it and see if he can polish the ramp or something for me. :cool:

    I'll also try some different hollowpoints, yeah, they are expensive. I'm thinking it would probably feed the PowRball hoolopoints with the polymer ball in the tip since it feeds fmj's good.
     
  6. NGIB

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    BTW, I very rarely carry a 1911 or use one for home defense - mine are for range shooting fun and competitions. The ,45 I use for HD is an XD Compact (loaded with Gold Dots) and I carry a Walther PPK 95% of the time.

    If your gun is feeding FMJs 100% I'd say it should feed PowrBall's just fine. As for over penetration, I worry less about this than reliability. Most FMJ is loaded lighter than defensive ammo so it's "low & slow". In all the 1911s I've had, I've only seen 1 or 2 with a "rough" feed ramp so it's not as common a problem as folks are led to believe. Weak mags springs (yes, even in Wilson's) are a much more common problem...
     
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  7. Gojubrian

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    Thanks for the advice NGIB. Expertise and experience is always appreciated. :cool:

    I am still happy with the kimber and will keep it.
     
  8. NGIB

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    A 1911 guy can never have to many mags, so for your next batch I'd try Chip McCormick Power Mags. I have a half-dozen of them and they've performed 100% for me - even with JHP ammo. I know "The Dude" likes Tripp's and they are also a great mag. Nothing against Wilson 47's as I have a bunch of them as well; however, finding the right mix of gun, mags, and ammo is an adventure.

    I actually had a S&W 1911 for a time that loved CMC Power Mags and hated Tripp mags - it happens...
     
  9. spittinfire

    spittinfire New Member Supporter

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    I haven't had any problems with my Pro Carry eating HPs with any mag I have. I've used Wilson, Tripp and the factory mag with no problems at all. I actually carry the Tripp with 230gr HSTs.

    I would try a couple of different mags and see what happens, like NGIB said. He's old, knows a bit more then I do.
     
  10. NGIB

    NGIB New Member

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    Thanks Spitty, when I see you I'll smack you with my cane and run you over with my walker...:D
     
  11. spittinfire

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    better then a huveround!!
     
  12. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    If the gun is new, it might be a break in issue. I would make sure it has at least 500 rounds through it and try switching to a different HP. Speer Gold Dots have a rep for feeding like ball. Contact Kimber. Even the "better" makers can goof occasionally. A friend had a Kimber with a sear that was made crooked. Only one side of the "hook" engaged the hammer. He sent it back and they fixed it, quickly. They keep records of who assembled what gun so they need to knoow if an employee is slacking and letting crap out of the factory.
     
  13. Dillinger

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    Goju - One of the things to factor is in the power of the recoil spring. If the spring isn't strong enough to grab the round and slide it up the ramp, you have a problem.

    The other side of the coin is that if the feed ramp isn't polished, you have problems. The Kimbers I have had experience with have always had a polished feed ramp. An easy way to check is run a cotton ball over it like the rounds feed and see if you get any snags.

    I know the gun is new, but if it was shipped with an underpowered, or "weaker", graded spring you might have a problem. I don't know your specific model personally, but I had a Raptor II ( which is a smaller 4.25" bull barreled model )from Kimber and it never had a problem feeding anything. The spring it came with was +P rated though and was an "upgraded" spring from the "standard" spring.

    NGIB is right in that the extractor can cause problems as well, but I concur that if it feeds 100% with FMJ, I doubt this is an issue.

    However, without seeing it first hand, this is all wild conjecture.

    One thing is certain: If it won't feed everything reliably, it's definitely regulated to back up duty until it will. I won't carry anything that doesn't feed 100% of what I feed it. Unlike NGIB, I do carry my 4.25" 1911 damn near everywhere.

    Keep us informed of what you try and what you find out.
     
  14. DrumJunkie

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    A lot of Kimbers will have a 16# recoil spring in them. I like an 18-20# myself. That can be a factor as was stated in the earlier post. Have you run your finger on the feed ramp to feel for any tool marks or humps? It's not too hard to polish a feed ramp but you need to be careful. Most the time I tell people to find a good gunsmith. The only other thing I would think of is the ammo itself. I got one 1911 here that will not feed Cor-Bon ammo but loved Hydro Shoks. Sometimes it's a matter of getting a few different boxes of ammo to see what flavor yours likes best. There are so many different shapes of HP ammo abd some work better in brand X weapons than others.
     
  15. NGIB

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    Good catch by JD about the recoil spring, which goes to show I shouldn't post early in the morning. Basically, I have always run the heaviest spring that provides 100% reliability. Both of my 5 inch guns are running 17 1/2 # Wolff variable rate springs. (The 5 inch standard is 16 #) My Dan Wesson Pointman needed a 19 # to operate correctly.

    You can get a "tuning" pack of springs from Wolff (or Brownells) that will have 4-5 springs ranging from light to heavy to do the experiment...
     
  16. Dillinger

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    I wouldn't sweat it bro, I have had the same thing happen about 3K times... LOL

    Plus one on the tuning pack. In the shop we have about 100 different springs from various makers, so when I get a new gun, I just grab the spring box and head to the range.

    A lot of times ( well, with the Nighthawks ) the only change was to go with the recommend spring for +P ammo.

    That would be much cheaper than going to a gunsmith first order Goju.

    JD
     
  17. willfully armed

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    My PCII does not like CMC powermags, its runs great with 47d's and the Kimber 7rdr's.

    Win Ranger 230gr runs fine in mine, Ive not tried any other HP.

    Give it a try.....
     
  18. canebrake

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    Goju, you doing a 'palm-pop' after loading your mags?

    After I load my mags, or if I remove the mag from the void, before I insert it back into the gun I tap it on my weak side plam. This seats all the rounds uniformally against the back of the mag.

    It's just one more thing to eliminate as a problem.

    Oh yea, go buy a Tripp Research Cobra Mag and dump that 47D!

    Everyone here (except Grandpop) has zero issues with the Cobra Mag!
     
  19. spittinfire

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    My offer is still on the table....
     
  20. Gojubrian

    Gojubrian New Member

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    Yep, I'm making sure the mags are seated. Here's my dilema with my steps to solve it.

    Kimber won't feed hollowpoints:

    1. Make sure I'm not limpwristing.
    2. Make sure magazine is seated properly.
    3. Try different mags
    4. Try different hollowpoints with different weights..
    5. Try wolf spring kit (ordered)

    Thanks for the help everyone, we'll get this solved.

    Now, many people would say "my xd,glock,etc will eat everything and it didn't cost near that much." I'm actually liking this, kind of like a mechanical adventure! :cool: