Kimber Custom II w/Kimpro Tac Magazine not loading

Discussion in '1911 Forum' started by marksman957, Oct 14, 2012.

  1. marksman957

    marksman957 New Member

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    Had my New Custom II out on the range for the first time today. Worked well until I put a full 8 rounds in the magazine. It would not feed round 1 and 2 but from that point on it would work fine. Sometimes it would partially load the round 1st or 2nd and sometimes the round would remain fully in the mag. Again, when I got down to 6 rounds in the mag it worked fine. Shot about 80 rounds. 50 Federal American Eagle and 30 CCI (?) Blaser. Any ideas?
     
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  2. canebrake

    canebrake New Member

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    That's because the Kimber 8rd mag is really a 7rd that holds eight with spring bind.

    If you never listen to me before, do yourself a favor and pay attention to this old man.

    Get the best!

    Tripp Research, Gen II Cobra Magazines (I say that because they ARE the best....and NO they don't pay me to say it!)

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    Tripp Research Inc. 1911 Magazines Call Aaron @ Tripp (877.837.9445) and order one. (Tell him canebrake said hi.)


    Before you buy any mag, read the following;

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    I bought a kimber pro carry II

    1911 and Hollow Points

    1911 magazine question, Cane..Anyone

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  3. Wiebelhaus

    Wiebelhaus New Member

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    I agree with canebrake, that's a mag issue.
     
  4. Chainfire

    Chainfire Well-Known Member Supporter

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    So, Cane, why are these mags better than say a McCormic or Pachmayr?

    I shoot my 1911 often with some pretty old Shooting Stars and never have a bit of trouble. I recently had several of the Pachmayers fall into my lap, cheaply, and they also work like a champ.
     
  5. marksman957

    marksman957 New Member

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    Thanks Cane. I figured it was the mag but 1911 is new to me and I wanted an experienced opinion. I will check out the Tripp. How about the Wilson Combat? It seems I see a lot of people recommending them. Any opinion on those?
     
  6. DodgerBlue

    DodgerBlue New Member

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    Also, Im not one to question Cane on 1911s, but Kimpro magazines by Kimber never failed me on my Custom II. 100% flawless from the 1st to the latest round ever fired.
     
  7. Powersportgiant

    Powersportgiant New Member

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    I've never used Tripp mags, they look great though. I have several nighthawk and Wilson combat mags and they are great. I prefer Wilson's over Chip McCormick or most factory mags.

    Cane, is there a FTF discount or code on Tripp mags ?
     
  8. marksman957

    marksman957 New Member

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    I spoke with someone at the gun shop and he said it could be a mag failure, however, he also said it is too early to say. He said you must run 500 rounds through the Kimber before evaluating. He said Kimber is built to such high tolerance that it will take that many firings to get the gun broken in. If it is still failing to feed after that take a closer look.
     
  9. tacticalfun

    tacticalfun Active Member

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    Wilsons are ok..still ftf sometimes. I listened to cane and bought 6 tripps and have not looked back.
     
  10. Garadex

    Garadex New Member

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    Can't prefer the Wilson over a Tripp if you never used 'em.
     
  11. levelcross

    levelcross New Member

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    Wilson will be the most expensive mag you buy, they work fine every time. I have 2 Tripp mags on order. I sold all of my KimPro mags and never want one again. So I will see how good the Tripp mags are.
     
  12. canebrake

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    From L to R; Tripp Cobra, Wilson 47DOXB, Wilson ETM 500B, Tripp Cobra

    Find the weld on the Tripp.

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    From L to R; Wilson 47DOXB, Wilson ETM 500B, Tripp Cobra

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    Notice the fluid stampings of the Tripp mag on the left and right. The .45 case head sits square against the back wall of the Tripp mag, the Wilson is rounded and forces the round forward when it presents for stripping. AND, the Tripp mag feed lips are CNC finished.

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    This photo shows the slide stop interface. The Tripp mag on the bottom uses a hybrid follower with a metal interface where the Wilson on top uses a poly follower interface. The Wilson shows witness-marks where the slide stop engages the mag when empty. This mag is six month old and speaks volumes as to this critical area.

    As a retired engineer, this is how my mind works while looking at new products. When a company makes guns and mags that go into them, the mag becomes an area where they can cut production costs. When the company only makes mags, their entire R&D budget is used on mags. Think about that!

    If your 1911 mags have poly followers be sure to check them each time you load. Should this area wear out, your slide will not lock open when empty!

    You asked and I answered with the reasons why I only use Tripp Gen II Cobras for carry!
     
  13. canebrake

    canebrake New Member

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    Nope, but there should be!

    Call Aaron @ Tripp (877.837.9445) and tell him canebrake thinks FTF members should get a discount.
     
  14. canebrake

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    So from that quote, Kimber requires their customers to finish the build of it's production 1911's?

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    This is from Mark Roberts several years ago, while he was in charge of Colt handgun manufacturing; "...if a gun [Colt] does not run, out of the box, it's broken - send it back". This was in response to a question of why Colt did not fit up their slides and frames ultra tight like Kimber, etc. He advised that there is a "correct" tolerance for an accurate, reliable 1911 - and that tighter is not better, and gives no worthwhile advantages.

    He contended that the miniscule gains in accuracy vs. the headaches and unreliability of a tight 1911 made super tight a bad practice for all but target range only guns that are never used for defense. The pistols sold to the military were purposely built with certain clearances incorporated into the mechanism to ensure reliability under battlefield conditions. Reducing these clearances may make the pistol shoot more accurately, but it will also detract from its serviceability as a combat arm.

    "If it needs break in - it's fitted wrong by people who don't understand the design."
     
  15. canebrake

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  16. X-5

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    BS. How come then my three Dan Wesson 1911s, which are built to a much higher tolerance than any Kimber, run 100% right out of the box?
     
  17. marksman957

    marksman957 New Member

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    Well, I appreciate all of the input. I was a novice when I started this thread. I am still a novice but a much better educated one. I am definitely going for the Tripps and will check back after I check them out.
     
  18. marksman957

    marksman957 New Member

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    Well, taking the advice of my retired army buddy, he's army and retired not me, I cleaned the mags with Tetra action cleaner and lubed them with Tetra lubricant. Voila!. Not a single failure at the range. Shot full 8 rounds from each of 2 mags 10 reloads, 160 rounds total without a hiccup. Maybe I can chalk this one up to operator error. Or worse, operator ignorance.
     
  19. canebrake

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    It's only ignorance if you don't act on the new-found information.

    Either way, it was the mag causing your feed issue.

    I have one question; Your NEW mags needed cleaning?

    From your OP, "Had my New Custom II out on the range for the first time today."

    Don't tell Kimber you cleaned your new mags, they'll void your warranty. [​IMG]
     
  20. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    Some mags do work well, some mags are not worth the metal they are made from.

    The magazine is the weakest link in any semi-auto pistol. IF they are not working, your pistol will not work.

    Cane's suggestion of Tripp is based on his (and others) research. Sometimes, I believe the research completed by an engineer.

    Buy Tripp's. I have never seen a problem addressed here about Tripp magazines, only other brands.