Kids playing with guns...

Discussion in 'Survival & Sustenance Living Forum' started by stomach9, Nov 24, 2007.

  1. stomach9

    stomach9 New Member

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    My girlfriend and I were sitting in the back of her truck in front of her home last week around 10 pm when we had a kid pull a pistol on us and pull the trigger.

    A white car drove by us, then made a u-turn and turned off it's lights while it crept towards the front of us. My instant reaction was to reach for my 45 GAP I had strapped inside my shirt which is what I did but I did not draw my weapon. I was thinking, "who does that anymore, turn their lights off?"

    I had a feeling that this was some joke being played by some kids and it turned out it was but these kids had a gun pointed at me. It was dark and before I realized it was actually a gun he pulled the trigger but it was empty, they just drove off laughing.

    I didn't get a plate but the make and model which I did pass along to the police, they told me I was the third person that night who called about these kids. Afterwards I was just so upset with myself, I went over what happened over and over in my head. It wasn't fear that stopped me from drawing my weapon but I can't figure out why I froze like that. I was in my right to draw and fire, there was a gun pointed at my face.

    I was thinking that if I did shoot some kid was going to loose his life because he and his friends thought it would be funny to try and scare random people. Someone was going to loose their son or brother because of stupidity. And you know I wouldn't have regretted doing it for one second, only for the loss of life but not for defending my self and someone else.

    I just want to hear what you guys think about this. Have you ever been in a situation like this and froze the way I did? What kind of advice would you offer and what else did I do wrong? I know I wont allow someone to get a chance to get a shot off again.
     
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  2. hillbilly68

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    I bet you would have regretted it. If you had drawn, if you had fired, if you had hit and killed the kid, you would have found out through the investigation that the gun wasn't loaded (or maybe not even real). Yes, you had every right to drop the hammer on the punk, no question about it. Guarantee that the county prosecutor would not have even given you a second thought. Count yourself lucky that you didn't, but even luckier that he didn't have a more criminal intent.

    Stay on top of the story, bet if the cops tell the parents that they drew down on a CCW holder that was armed, the sh**bird will never go out again at night. That is if the parents give a care:rolleyes: .

    I would count myself lucky, don't second guess what you did. You made the right decision based on the outcome. That doesn't mean not to AAR yourself and wargame for the next time whatever it may be. Just don't beat yourself up over this. I will bet you a cold one that you did more evaluation than you give yourself credit for during that split second when you saw what was happening. I bet if you really think about it, the indicators were there and your little voice told you not to draw and shoot.

    good luck, let us know what comes of it, would be interesting to see (the 5Ws on the kids and the incident)
    regards
     

  3. mrwatch

    mrwatch New Member

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    re gun

    It would have been a tough decision for me if I had time to react. Did he snap it before you reached inside of the shirt. Maybe it was a dud shell or the gun was broken and he did not know it. Most likely I would have droped a dime on him.
    While I have the floor, in Grand Rapids, Mich. a few weeks ago a photo store owner heard a man breaking in. He lived in the back. He accosted the owner who shot and killed him. The districk attorney ruled it self defense.
    Last Sunday an 8 year old boy found his grandfathers 38 and shot his six year old sister in the stomach. She remains in critical condition. So what? His grand father is a firearms instructor and has a CCW. The gun was not locked up nor safely out of reach.
    Bob
     
  4. stomach9

    stomach9 New Member

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    I appreciate your comments, that makes a lot of sense. To answer mrwatch’s question, I gripped my Glock as the car made the quick u-turn and turned off it’s lights. I’ve followed up on the case but there has not been any developments.

    You expect to see this kind of thing in the neighborhood I live in but my gf’s area has always been pretty low in crime.
     
  5. Chuck

    Chuck New Member

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    The kid was competing for first place for this year's Darwin Awards.
     
  6. Tex in Maine

    Tex in Maine New Member

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    I agree 100% with hillbilly. I work in emergency medicine and sometimes life altering descisions have to be made in a split second. Many times after a difficult call I will replay it over and over in my mind to see if there was anything I may have missed or should have done differently. I think it is just human nature to second guess ourselves. I know I do my best to provide the best possible care I can for my patients, but afterwards there is still that annoying little voice of doubt. I give him some time then I tell him to buzz off, everything turned out fine so move on to the next thing.
     
  7. WILDCATT

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    confrontation

    I would not have been so lenient with him. however you did right and survived.I would have pulled and made him lay down and called police.as another he my get ideas from that and the next one may not be so lucky:mad: :(
     
  8. billdeserthills

    billdeserthills New Member

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    I just want to hear what you guys think about this. Have you ever been in a situation like this and froze the way I did? What kind of advice would you offer and what else did I do wrong? I know I wont allow someone to get a chance to get a shot off again.[/QUOTE]

    Freeze Up,
    Last few times I was in a split second decision like yours (remotely)I had the same experience.`I remember one time I watched a carload of drunken Mexicans smash into my new van, all I could do was say "that's just great", meanwhile my girlfriend who is 15 years older than I am was off, chasing these guys down the street while I'm stuck on the phone with 911!
    After reviewing these "freeze up" situations over in my head, I can only conclude that I just don't have that split second response that my girly has, then again she is always half-cocked and I try to be more relaxed.
     
  9. Righteous

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    would have aimed for there tires soon as I knew what was happening as they were leaving without a doubt, one way or another they gonna have a reminder of meeting me
     
  10. mbaha

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    This why we need gun control, not because of the kids but because of YOU. You were ready to start firing away at some kids with a toy gun.
     
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  11. billdeserthills

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    Stomach, I wouldn't pay any attention to any newby poster w/ 2 posts under their belt. Fact is stupid kids pulling fake guns has and will continue to be a problem. Killings that occur merely serve to staighten out the dumbass status quo ala Darwin, that is to say only the smartest and strongest is supposed to survive& breed and these kids obviously don't seem to fall into that catagory.
    I remember years ago getting hit-hard with a raw egg, I spent 15 or 20 minutes chasing the carload of people down and I was so pissed I thought I wanted to shoot the whole carload of them. When they did finally stop I found they were kids, out having a "good" time at my expense. I decided they were sorry enough by that time and told them what I thought about their prank. Never seen them again and that was enough for me.
     
  12. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    So, mbaha, was that tongue in cheek? I think not. It does not matter if it was real or not, loaded or not. If a person is in a legitamate fear for his/her life or the life of another, deadly force is justified. This has been held true at the Supreme Court several times.

    If people are stupid enough to use toy or unloaded guns to "scare" others, They will end up dead eventually. Darwin Award? You bet!

    If you wait to "return fire" you may be too dead to return anything.

    I agree that it is fortunate that no one was harmed. These stupid kids will not stay that lucky for long. Then it is a "firearms tragedy" and will be played up in the media. When was the last time you saw a story in the mainstream press about firearms being used to prevent crime? It simply does not get reported even though it happens thousands (perhaps tens of thousands) of times each year in this Country.
     
  13. bkt

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    Hear hear! Let's take away firearms from law-abiding citizens and let feral barbarian vermin kids roam the streets shooting (or threatening to shoot) people as they see fit. After all, we mustn't degrade their self-esteem.

    mbaha: Here's a trivia quiz question for you. Are most crimes involving firearms committed by individuals who have legally acquired their firearms or by individuals -- usually teens and young adults who have a propensity to gravitate toward the gangsta mystique -- who have acquired firearms illegally?

    Care to rethink your post?
     
  14. Samhain

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    Stomach9 - I have never been in that situation. I would like to think I would have drawn and fired as soon as that kid pointed his gun at me, but no one really knows how he or she will react in that situation.
    The end result in your case is nobody got hurt this time.
    I keep telling myself, If I ever have to pull my gun I better be prepared to pull the trigger.
    If that was a loaded gun, you pulled your gun and then froze...your dead.
     
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  15. mbaha

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    Quiz How does gun related violence in the US compare the the UK?
     
  16. fluffo63

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    gang related...

    ..hey my friend have you ever heard of this,they was a warning posted
    threw the internet,that a gang called the crypt turns out there lights
    on the first car,and dont shoot,,turn off there lights on the second car
    dont shoot,but the third car lights out,,gets the bullet..its a gang
    tradition..and its not new i was in west-side of cleveland ohio in
    1981 same rules applied..well its like this...dont go pulling no gun on me
    ......Sorry..i might go into flash-back mode..but the best good thing to
    this story no lives were lost..:D
     
  17. BLS33

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    Why compare the two? That is apple to oranges, if we are doing that why don't we compare the U.S. and Switzerland or Switzerland and the UK? Switzerland has the highest per capita gun ownership rate, higher than any other place on the planet, yet has a homicide rate of 1.2 per 100,000 (whereas the UK is at 1.4); also there has never been a
    schoolyard massacre in Switzerland.

    Lets take a look at the UK for a little bit:

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    These graphs (with cited reliable sources) are from gunfacts.info which has tons of great info and I highly suggest you and everyone else give it a look through. Gun control does not decrease violent crime, that is a fact not an opinion. If you can find ANY info suggesting otherwise lets see it.
     
  18. fluffo63

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    ..wow...

    ..is a question? or opinion turning into a Arguement quick..like
    i stated the story ended with NO lives taken why? Argue over gun control??
    ....BE HAPPY NO_BODY WAS HURT...:D
     
  19. Samhain

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    I tell you what, after think this over, if I see some shady clown walking up to my car, I'm pulling my gun from the holster and will be ready for anything.
     
  20. bkt

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    BLS33 beat me to it, but now you have your answer. Incidentally, violent crime involving firearms is increasing in Canada and Australia, too, where gun control laws are also very strict.

    The problem isn't the weaponry, but the high number of people inclined to use it against their neighbors; the social ill comes from the people, not the tools they use.