Kel-Tec Thumbs Down

Discussion in 'Semi-Auto Handguns' started by diggsbakes, Oct 8, 2009.

  1. diggsbakes

    diggsbakes New Member

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    That little P-11 I showed ya'll a couple weeks ago in the 9mm vs. .40 Cal thread I thought would make a decent back-up weapon.

    I took it to the range and found the trigger pull to be unacceptable. I have a weak trigger finger on my dominant (left) hand due to an injury in which I almost lost the digit and have only half the tendons that most do, so I couldn't shoot with that hand accurately at all. With my right hand results were better, but still not great. It wasn't just the hard pull, but the hammer didn't seem to fall at the same during the pull consistently.

    I had heard this is a common problem and Kel-Tec can replace the factory 14.5 lb spring with a 10 lb spring and install a shoe on the trigger to reduce pull distance, so I wrote this e-mail:

    I recently purchased a P-11 and like the gun. However, I would like the trigger pull to be more comfortable. How much do you charge to replace the trigger spring and install a shoe for a lighter pull?

    To which Kel-Tec replied:

    Sorry, there are no adjustments on the trigger system, any changes to the trigger system will void your warranty and jeopardize the safety of the weapon. thanks

    I wrote back to let them know I sold the gun and will advise anyone in the future against buying Kel-Tec.

    This was disappointing especially because it is a 100% American company. I always buy American given the choice.

    Oh well.
     
  2. Gojubrian

    Gojubrian New Member

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    For $279 or less NIB you can't do much better in a concealable 9mm.

    Yes, the trigger is a long hard pull, but it's supposed to be. It doesn't have a safety, but I dare you to accidentally shoot it!

    It's not made for great accuracy or lots of range time. It's made to be a 9mm that goes bang at close distances. It just is what it is.

    My dad has carried his P-11 as a back-up for his ...barf Glock 17 for more than ten years.
     

  3. diggsbakes

    diggsbakes New Member

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    Yeah I know the long hard trigger pull is the only safety feature... and a damn good one.

    My disappointment is a direct result of the response I got from Kel-Tec.

    Even though the gun was never intended for anything other than self defense, I still like to practice with everything as one should and I would like to enjoy it.
     
  4. Gojubrian

    Gojubrian New Member

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    You didn't like their response, but it was honest and direct. :)
     
  5. OlPainless

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    I think you spoke with a disgruntled employee... this came from the official Kel Tec Owners Group site.

    "There's not much you can do to make the trigger pull shorter, but you can certainly make it easier by replacing the 10-pound spring with an 8.5-pound spring."

    "Kel-Tec CNC will replace the spring without charging you any labor (just the cost of the spring)."

    "The trigger shoe creates a wider surface for your finger to rest on and pull, resulting in a more comfortable trigger. Combined with the 8.5-pound hammer spring, this makes a BIG difference."
     
  6. diggsbakes

    diggsbakes New Member

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    OlPainless, that is EXACTLY what I read right before deciding to purchase the firearm. I thought it would be no big deal and that's not the only place I've read that.

    As far as their response goes... it may have been honest and direct, but usually one would like include helpful in there too.

    I guess it must have been a disgruntled employee.

    That's the first and last time I venture outside my usual array of dependable, helpful, quality firearms makers.
     
  7. OlPainless

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    Amen brother! Taurus' for everyone! Great now i'm going to have NGIB on me for unfounded bashing. :eek::D
     
  8. diggsbakes

    diggsbakes New Member

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    Woh! woh! woh! Taurus' for everyone? I thought I said quality.

    Nah just kidding. Never owned one so I can't say.

    I tried Kel-Tec and thought I might have a place for them to back up the big boys, but things just didn't work out and we had to break up. It wasn't meant to be. . . So sad.
     
  9. AR1911

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    Heck, Just buy the spring and shoe and install yourself. But you've sold it, so nevermind.
    The shoe does make a big diff. I need to buy one for myself.
     
  10. 1861

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    I carry a Kel Tec PF 9 as my BUG and my wife carries a Kel tec P3AT . I have no problem with either . They are not target pistols and that should not be expected . For what they are meant for they are very good .
     
  11. skullcrusher

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    I bought the wifey a P-32 last birthday. Yes, the trigger pull is long. So what. Does every arm you own have exactly the same trigger pull? That would be like every car you've ever owned having the same acceleration. Learn the arm and the trigger. If you can't adapt, sell it and find one you like. Just my opinion.
     
  12. stalkingbear

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    If you want a DAO pistol but want it to be light & smooth, do yourself a huge favor and check out the Para Ordnance LDA line of pistols. The trigger pull on them is so light & smooth the very 1st time I felt/handled 1 I thought the damn thing was broke.
     
  13. diggsbakes

    diggsbakes New Member

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    Done and done. Sold that piece of plastic and replaced with a Ruger SP101, which also has a long hard trigger pull, but is just better, for me anyways. I'm mostly a wheel gun guy anyways, I should have known better. At the time I bought it I had a few hundred extra beans that were "burning a hole in my pocket" as my wife says.

    However, the guy I sold it to for his wife was pleased.

    When I started this thread. I wasn't so much dissatisfied with the firearm itself, but with how the Kel-Tec representative responded to my inquiry. They were up front and honest, but not helpful in any way.

    I've been a fan of Para Ordnance in the past, but the last time my pops came up we went to the range his seemed to have a malfunction/feeding issue about every other mag. The ammo checked out, we tried loading mags one short, nothing cured it. They got sold.
     
  14. group17

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    Did you try shooting it righty? We lefty's are very adaptable at learning in a right handed world. I shoot my mauser 98K righty no problems.
     
  15. diggsbakes

    diggsbakes New Member

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    Yes. It was more comfortable, just because my left index isn't what it once was. I've always practiced weak hand shooting using handguns, but it just feels too awkward righty with rifles.
     
  16. franklin67

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    Ive found that using the TIP of my finger on the P11 instead of squeezing it makes it much more comfortable to shoot. But it isnt a range gun. I take it out maybe once a month a blast thru a mag or two, just to stay in practice in case I REALLY need it someday. Im sure there are better personal carry weapons out there, but the P11 fits my needs just fine.
     
  17. Fleetman

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    I have a P-11 and a PF-9 and have trigger shoes on both of them. I find them about as comfortable as it can get with a heavy-trigger. Although the trigger is heavy and long it is still pretty smooth. I also have the Keltec P3AT...watch the trigger return on these otherwise, without a full reset, the trigger tends to remain unset.
     
  18. diggsbakes

    diggsbakes New Member

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    Good point. I can adjust to different trigger pulls, but the Kel-Tec's are just "springy" and nothing more. It's hard to adapt to something that is unnatural. If you cannot dry fire the weapon w/o damage, in a center fire gun, there is a problem. . . said by me and many others.

    They state that "No pistol should ever be dry fired". I like 'em cause they're made here, that's it. . .
     
  19. avordman

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    KelTec Pistols

    I own two KelTec P3ATs and have fired other KelTec models. Based on this experience I can tell you a couple of things about them. Number one, they are very affordable. They aren't sexy. Three they are horrible to shoot; they actually hurt my hand and I would rather shoot my 44 magnums than shoot a KelTec .380. My P3ATs are seven yard accurate. They are reliable; I have never had a failure to feed, failure to fire, or a failure to eject and they are extemely easy to conceal.

    Thankfully, I have never experienced a situation where I have had to draw my concealed weapon, but if that situation arises, it will probably be a P3AT that I draw. My wife and I carry ours everywhere that concealed carry is allowed. Are they my "first choice" weapons? For concealed carry - yes.
     
  20. IXLR8

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    I have a P11 and love it. Find another 12 round 9mm in that size. Yes, it hurts to shoot a box of ammo through it. But having 12 rounds instead of 6 is worth it. It is accurate enough to make me comfortable about carrying it. It is a carry only weapon, not a range or plinking gun.

    I also have a P32 which I do not like as much, but for the size it packs a punch.

    Compared to my Kahr P9 which is more accurate and has less recoil, but a similar size. I will pick the P11 every time.

    Yes, I did say 12 rounds. It is the optional magazine available at the Kel-tec web site.