Kel tec p11

Discussion in 'General Handgun Discussion' started by gearhead396, Oct 26, 2012.

  1. gearhead396

    gearhead396 New Member

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    Ok I just got this kel tec p11 even though I don't like the trigger pull but its being really picky with bulk Winchester 115g ball every thing else shoots fine but my buddy's new p11 shoots the bulk Winchester fine what's with that
     
  2. hardluk1

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    Just simply how some firearms are , more so when new . Plus if your budies gun has more runs fired it may be loosend up a bit more. You to guys also swamp pistols if both are new with about the same round cont fired. Shooter can cause some problems with control. Some time loads are borderline haveing enough energy to work the slide well enought to fully cycle. Give yours a another 100 rounds with a different ammo like umc remmy or magtec and see how it runs. If it runs fine try the winny stuff again. If it does not let your buddy try it in his.
     

  3. Tackleberry1

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    I owned a P11 when they first came out, good gun once you get used to that KT Trigger. Previous answer is correct, some guns are just finicky and some shooters limp wrist causing issues...not saying that's you.

    By the way, does your P11 owning buddy use an interior thigh carry rig by any chance? :D

    Tack
     
  4. gearhead396

    gearhead396 New Member

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    Just went to the range shot the remm umc and independence just fine but still would jam with Winchester guess it just doesn't like em thanks for the help guys and hahaha no tack we both use this holster but I've been looking for a new one sometimes I accidentally push the msg release on this one
     

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  5. hardluk1

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    Guess we all at one time or another had one of those. Rip the metal off it a make doggy chew toy out of it. hehe Holsters are a pain to find that just right one. Glad your pistols shooting good now.
     
  6. Old_Crow

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    I have an older P-11 that wouldn't shoot anything. Come to find out the finish under the rails was full of trash. I cut the end off a 2x4. Then glued some emery cloth around it. After a good cleaning up it will shoot anything. The outside of the rails at the ends often need buffing. Another quick trick to get the bugs out of a gun and break in new guns real quick is to shoot a couple boxes of steel case ammo.

    People blame WWB ammo but if a gun won't shoot it there is something wrong with it. All of my guns shoot WWB. If they didn't when I got them they do now.
     
  7. hardluk1

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    old crow thats great till you get some of a Lot # of there junk stuff or simple need a load with a bit more power.
     
  8. Old_Crow

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    I had a problem with Kel Tec when I bought my P-3AT. I ended up getting my credit card company involved to resolve the issue. Kel Tec said their guns have been known to malfunction with WWB. The customer support agent told kel tec straight up "if their guns don't work with the most popular ammo in the US it should be on the box. Moreover WWB meets SAAMI specs and kel tec claims their guns will fire all Saami spec ammo. Fix it or refund my customer" You know what, kel tec fixed my P-3AT.
     
  9. hardluk1

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    old crow You most have missed the part from the OP that his pistols run fine with other brands of ammo, And still have issues with winny. You enjoy your wwb ammo, glad its so fine for you. Buy a chrony and compair it to other ammo. That cheap wwb ammo may run fine in most pistols after its been broke in with a better class of ammo . I have seen enough info and chrony results and recalls to show QC is not at the top of winnys list with this cheap ammo line.

    A friend that has used wwb 115gr stuff for a couple years with no problems picked up a new box at walmart. His pistol is a pm9 and has been extremely reliable and it started have function issues with this box of wwb right with the first mag full. I tried some in both my cw9 and a new caracal c , Both also had problems. So get off your high horse and realize winchester ammo does have more than its share of ammo problems . Thats also what was problably wrong with your KT but instead of finding ammo it liked you have pitch a fit. Noooo it could never be a ammo problem issue . For me that is the first time I have had a handgun not full function with any ammo in I don't know when. His pistol ran fine on the last of his old wwb stuff.

    Oh learn a bit more about saami spec and you will find that a cartidge is rated to not excede a certain pressure. It does not mean it can't be loaded lower than a given pressure. To many cartidges have been nuttered even more by our ammo companies.
     
  10. Old_Crow

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    You sound like the kel tec rep. I was actually shooting American Eagle ammo in the frikin gun. I did shoot one box of WWB when I first got it to break it in. Then the LGS dropped the price on American Eagle. Guess what the Kel Tec Rep recommended American Eagle. I faxed the cash register receipts to the CC company and they showed what brand of ammo I was shooting.

    That is when the CC card rep went off on kel tec. The fact of the matter was the feed ramp was cut down so small they gun couldn't function with any ammo. With a new barrel and a little fluff and buff the gun worked great.

    You need to get a job at kel tec and blow smoke up some idiots ***.
     
  11. Old_Crow

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    By the way those frikin $350 chronographs are far less accurate than WWB ammo. I have shot a pellet rifle through two of the damn things and both had different readings at every shot in 30 feet. Yet the pellet rifle was in great condition. I can take it out right now and and clean the paint off 1" spinners in just a few minutes at 70 yards. I am only a fair shot so it's not like my ubber skills are making up for the "erratic performance" of the pellet gun.
     
  12. gearhead396

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    Ok I'm frustrated I've cleaned lubed and cleaned and lubed again had my gun smith check for wear or damage said everything is fine but after alotta money and 600 rounds it shoots everything no problems at all except federal American eagle and the Winchester 115g ball still jam wtf do they have a slightly different length or diameter ? Hardluck any ideas my friend is it just shut ammo?
     
  13. Tylos

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    My wife has my P-11 for now. Mine is 100%
    reliable, but that is a nasty trigger. I am going to get her a S&W M&P Shield as soon as supply catches up with demand a little. There were NONE at the last gun show. Word is they shoot great for a compact 9mm.
     
  14. Old_Crow

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    I do have an idea. First just take a break from the gun for a few weeks. Right now you just want to take a 28 oz eastwing to the damned thing. Get a couple boxes of steel case ammo and shoot them through the gun. If you haven't done so already use some emery cloth on the rails. You don't want to do much more than take the finish off the rails. Pay particular attention to the rails against the frame. If there is trash in the finish it will be there. Sometimes the slide wants to catch on the rails focus on polishing up the ends of the rails.

    You don't have to worry about the feed ramp as long as it is still factory stock, not ground down. The purpose of the steel case ammo is to smooth out all the areas that come into contact with shells. Make sure the magazine itself is not the problem. You should have enough room for the bar on the bottom of the slide to pass through the top of the magazine without the magazine touching the slide in any way.

    One last thing no matter how much kel tec improves their work, don't make the same mistake I did and buy another kel tec.
     
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  15. gearhead396

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    Thanks for all the help after work today I'm going to get that work started
     
  16. hardluk1

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    Old crow the donkeys rear end really jumps out in you doesn't it. I am sure if you talked to KTs CS person like you write her that would be why you had the get the cardit card company envoled.





    Gearhead396 PM sent to you.
     
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  17. Old_Crow

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    hardluk I don't want any problems with you. We all butt heads here and there, it's part of life. If no one ever disagreed we all would be marching around like zombies.
     
  18. robertusa123

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    thats odd my p11 shoots everything iv put thure it even steel caseed ammo
    i recomend you clean the barrowal real good with salvent grab a round with the barralo removed from the gun and make shoure it slide in and out smothley whinchester white box might be a hair thicker and getting jamed in a tight and stickey reciver