I'm assuming those old enough to know of both while being here paid close attention to both. Haiti of course is still going on with stage 2 death well underway and stage 3 deaths just beginning to appear. San Francisco 1903 also comes to mind. It can happen in any town, at any time. I went to New Orleans with one of the 'private security' groups as a rent a cop contracted to DHS (plane tickets to Baton Rouge by email, raise your right hand, do you swear, abba dabba doo, here is an ID card confirming your appointment as, here's a Glock and some ammo, get in that car and follow the blue one in front, etc.). Was there for Rita too. An interesting experience. I'd have gone to Haiti too, but there are passport issues (don't have one). Lots of failures by FEMA observed, some not their fault, in New Orleans. Whatever. I'm writing this to tell you something I haven't seen mentioned here. No matter how bad the scenario, no matter how many weeks of Hell you go through, civilization and man's laws will return. Anything and everything you do to stay alive will be judged by those following the pre-and post-scenario standards. Doesn't matter diddly to those lawyers who weren't there how much you (and your family) wanted to live. The only thing they will ask the jury to consider is if your actions met the legal standards of a non-disaster scenario under the laws in effect the day before the disaster. This means all the talk of sniping, combat operations, home made explosives, switchblade knives, conversions to full auto, all of it, if actually done, will two or three weeks later probably land you in court or worse. I met a lot of people in New Orleans who did things they thought they had to do to ensure the safety of themselves or others, only to find themselves deep in legal trouble once the emergency was considered to be over and after action notes were compared and forensics teams were back in business.