Kahr PM9, M&P Shield and Walther PPS Range Review

Discussion in 'Semi-Auto Handguns' started by Mdrums, Aug 8, 2012.

  1. Mdrums

    Mdrums New Member

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    I sold my Glock G27 and I'm looking for something else. I'm currently carrying a S&W .380 Bodyguard. My wife has a M&P 9c that she was going to carry but doesn't yet. I'm really up in the air between the Shield, Walther PPS and maybe the Kahr PM9. I got to shoot all 3 today a the same time back to back at Shoot Straight in Tampa.

    The Kahr PM9 had feeding issues big time and the 3 other PM9's they had in stock were very rough gritty glitchy catchy slides and all 3 trigger felt different especially in the pull. The store is not happy with the Kahr's for a while they told me because for every 8 pistols Kahr sends them 3-4 have issues. They also said they have issues with the Kahr brand in general and the Sig P290 and they would not recommend those guns to me.

    The Kahr PM9 I shot today was a used broken in gun and it failed to feed a lot with me....I'd load the mag, rack the slide no feed and re-rack and few time and finally get a round in the chamber but the slide would either lock back after the round was fired or go back into position with out feeding another round into the Kahr. I took all the ammo out of the mag and readed to make sure everything was correct...still FTF's. I sort of lost my trust today in Kahr after feeling the new guns and firing the rental gun. Thoughts on Kahr's????? I'm not getting a great impression.

    The Shield and PPS shot perfectly, accurate and buttery smooth and felt like great quality guns. Both the Shield and PPS felt good in my hand. This is the 2nd Shield 9mm I've rented and both shot perfectly. The PPS was maybe slightly more accurate for me. I played with these 2 with 100 rounds and just when I thought the PPS shot better I'd then think the Shield shot better. So I'm really up in the air between these 2. The PPS trigger is awesome with a very smooth action and great tactical short reset click. The Shield trigger is smooth too and has a nice tactical reset click but slightly less click than the Walther.

    That is what I noticed in these 3 guns from my personal experience with them today at the range.
     
  2. hardluk1

    hardluk1 Active Member

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    cm9 being a fair amont lighter and smaller than the other 2 can be abit more dependent on ammo used and even the shooter. Hard to say. If it is in the rental fleet it sould run well for some shooters. Guess there is no CW9 kahr to try. Closer to the size and weight of your other two handguns. You still have to buy what you like. I have a cm and cw 9 that are great pistols but not for all. My cw came from a disgruntled owner. No idea why ether. . See if you can lay hands on a bersa bp. Good reviews on this one.
     

  3. Rick1967

    Rick1967 Well-Known Member

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    I have a CM9. Awesome gun. I have had no issues with mine whatsoever.
     
  4. Mdrums

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    OK...my friend how is a semi-retired Deputy just bought a Kahr PM9. He bought it because that is what a lot of the undercover guys and other deputy's are carrying and all of them have very good things to say about the Kahr.

    So he is letting me borrow his PM9 to go shoot. I have a gun now and am heading to the range on Friday. We went over everything at dinner tonight, grip, how to load...do's and dont's.
     
  5. shipwreck

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    I had a Kahr PM9 for 2.5 years - never a problem with it. And, I shot it better than a Keltec 32 I previously had (way too long of a pull on that gun). But, the Kahr was never a fun gun to shoot. More kick than I prefer.

    I bought a 9mm Shield after renting one - and I was hooked. I sold that PM9 the very first week I had the Shield.

    I've since bought a 2nd Shield (after spending 2.5 months looking for another one). And, I have almost 2000 rounds thru them (the pair, combined). The gun has noticeably less recoil than the PM9.
     
  6. KeysKelly

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    My choice would be the M&P.

    I own a Kahr PM9 and as soon as I can find someone willing to take it at a fair price I will be the proud FORMER owner of a Kahr PM9. I bought it brand new and it has been back to Kahr 2 times in a year. It fails to feed, is very top heavy, jams and isn't very accurate.

    I am not a fan of Walthers at all but that is just my opinion.
     
  7. silverado113

    silverado113 New Member

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    What did the say is wrong with the 290?
     
  8. JPCooter

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    I have the Shield in .40 and it shoots great. Very smooth trigger pull and the follow up shot is almost perfect. Not much recoil either. I was expecting it to jump all over since its a .40, but it doesnt.

    I also have a Kahr P9 and Ive never had a problem with that either. I have noticed that I had to have a tighter grip on the Kahr so it cycles. If I kept a loose grip then it would fail to feed. I took my 13 y/o to the range and he has tried several of my handguns and his favorite by far is the kahr, he spends all day with it and has never had a problem with it.
     
  9. jyo

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    Well, about racking the slide on the Kahr to feed-in the first round---the owners manual clearly states that you must use the slide release. I don't have th PM9 or CM9---I do have two of the slightly larger CW9 pistols (one for me, one for wife) and they have run just fine after a manufacturing issue with the mag release was fixed. I also have a Walther PPS 9mm and it runs 100%, no problems. I feel reliably well-armed with either.
     
  10. Mdrums

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    I spent a while at the range today with my friends new PM9.H e had already put 200 rounds through it and says he had zero issues. Well his PM9 shot really well....I started to like it toward the end of my range session. I ran 232 rounds through it and had 1 FTF..nose dive after the 1st few mags. This happened on the 7 round mag after the 1st round fired off....2nd round's nose didn't feed up into the chamber. I took the mag out and racked the slide and the round fell out...I locked the slide back and put the mag back in release the slide and fired the rest of the mag. I then took the round that didn't fire and put it in the next mag and it fired perfectly through that mag.

    I noticed that the PM9 still felt new and a little gritty when I first was checking it out and first few mags. After I was done the PM9 feels like BUTTER! It really feels great.

    As for me it took around 50 or so rounds to figure out the aim of this gun. I was shooting it low. I adjusted to this and soon was eating out the center of the target at 7 yards. I practiced double taps to the chest and 1 to the head....no issues that went great. For a longer trigger compared to the Glock I personally fired the PM9 really well and had no issues with the trigger. The extended mag feels great and would probably feel perfect with a palm swell Houge type of grip. The short flush mag would conceal better but my pinky finger rests on the bottom of the mag and I only have 2 fingers holding onto the grip...barely... as I have fat fingers.

    Shoot Straight is having a Smith and Wesson Demo Day on Saturday so I can go back and shoot the Shield for free. I seem to shoot either gun equally well and I have 100 rounds through a Shield already with zero issues. Really hard decision here!

    Money is really no issue but I still watch what I spend....Shield is $280 LESS.....is the Kahr really worth it or not? The issues I had with the ranges gun and the 1 nose dive I had with my friends gun really stick in my head....HUMMMM...I know ya'll have opinions! Well???

    Thanks!
     
  11. Mdrums

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    The gunsmith at the store says he has a fair amount of 290's that fail to fire due to light strikes. This store is a big big big Sig dealer and a few of the store salesguys and the gunsmith say not every band makes every gun perfectly and if you want a small Sig the 290 is not it.
     
  12. silverado113

    silverado113 New Member

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    Is that the first gen or 2nd? There is a restrike version of the 290 which I believed fix that issue but I'm not sure.
     
  13. Mdrums

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    Good question...I don't know. I love Sig and currently have a P226 that is extremely accurate. I'd love to get some more Sig's and the 290 was on my list.
     
  14. Tackleberry1

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    I've owned and carried a PM9 for 4 years with no malfunction at all.

    I find it 100% reliable with both range and SD ammo. Recoil is stout but it's a CCW gun, not a fun range queen.

    Perhaps you were sissy wristing it? :D

    Tack
     
  15. Mdrums

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    I thought that maybe it was me too...but for one thing I never have issues with the Glock's, M&P9c, .380 Bodyguard, my Colt 1911 I personally own and other various guns I rent to try out. The store/range had the RO check the gun out and it had problems so that ruled me out. I grip the gun pretty hard...I'm 6'5" 240lbs and not weak...however I have no ego and take lesson and listen to those that have been at this longer than I have. If I was gripping the gun wrong and letting it move around too much I'd want to know to correct.

    The more people I talk to the more I begin to feel that Kahr has very very tight tolerances and they might not have a really good final inspection process so some Kahr's make it out to the public not up to specs. I love the size for conceal deep carry wearing light clothes but I just don't trust going in and buying a new Kahr with a great possibility that it make not be a good Kahr.
     
  16. Tackleberry1

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    At your size you can surely conceal a larger gun and full size auto's are inherently more reliable than compacts or sub compacts.

    Given my experience with Kahr I'd chalk your malfunctions up to range guns being dirty or poorly maintained. Like ALL small autos the PM9 is sensitive to round count and must have recoils springs changed per manufacturers recommendation.

    Rental guns are notorious for not receiving this level of care so while they are good for deciding on a guns feel they are a poor indication of reliability.

    All that said, a bigger gun with more slide mass will be more forgiving and if I could effectively conceal a bigger pistol for office carry, I would...;)

    Good Luck, at the end of the day the best CCW pistol is the one you can conceal, shoot well, and have confidence in.

    Tack