[12gauge]

mitchel mausers is offering a cute little carbine they're calling the m-63 which their claiming to be a tanker rifle. i was wondering:

1'st of all did the germans even use tanker rifles(i've heard of m-1 tanker rifles,whose authenticity is debateable)

2- which caliber is most accurate .243, .270, .308, 30-06 ,8mm

3- which of the above calibers would be easiest on recoil,keep in mind this is a carbine.

personaly i was thinking of either the .270 or 8mm(although i never shot an 8mm. i would like this because it's a mauser)

 

[RONSERESURPLUS]

K-98 Tanker, what Caliber?

Hello all


RON L here = SERESURPLUS


I've been Buying Military rifles for year and you can do SOO Much Better than Mitchell? As for the Caliber or Validity of the Mitchell M-63, the Germans tried a lot of things, they Might have done a tanker design, the option that Mitchell found some and are selling them, tells me to wave the Full of CRa--P flag? LOL Mitchell is know for selling cleaned up versions of what SARCO, J&G, CENTURY ARMS and SOG have been selling for years! Plus they make the cost h like 400% more?? You should Look into a lot of what others say about Mitchell, so it's not just my opinion? They do sell quality stuff, But man do they screw you on the price! Thats my .02 cents, you'll have to see what works for you?




RON L

 

[BLS33]

I'm going to echo Ron here. Mitchell is a complete rip off. You can find much better deals with a bit of searching. Search around other gun forums and see what people have to say about em.

 

[JoeLee]

The Tanker Mauser was the design of the Yugoslavian Military after WW2.

 

[Scriptoe]

Don't buy a Mitchell. Buy a real mauser. Mitchells are reworked and Frankensteined together. Some even say the stocks are brand new made in a factory in America somewhere and stamped with the serial number of the reciever.

Get a real mauser.

 

[FALPhil]

Get a real mauser.

Ditto. As cheap as real Mausers are, you'd be wasting money on anything else. I see M48s at gun shows these days for less than $150 out the door, and they look almost brand new.

 

[yodar]

YUGO's

Ditto. As cheap as real Mausers are, you'd be wasting money on anything else. I see M48s at gun shows these days for less than $150 out the door, and they look almost brand new.

I got mine from century for $90.00, good metal, very good stock, bore strong but dark

Tho it's C & R it is a Kragujevic run of the mill gun of no specific value
It's intermediate length makes it a suitable candidate for conversion to my handloaded 7.62 x 39 to make it a pleasant shooter and not an 8mm shoulder beater-upper

although 8mm has been very cheap lately, tho it is drying up

yodar

 

[Dutch]

I considered a mitchells carbine until I ran into an original fn 1924 in 7mm mauser. I don't see a problem with their carbines. I think the 308 would be tough to beat, tho a 243 would definately be better for recoil. Accuracy would have more to do with the barrel than caliber imho.

 

[wsmrto]

MM are for those who don't know or care to know what they are paying for. Look for any of the short carbines such as the little argentine 1891, fn-24 or 24-30s, or the m-24 BRNO and you can have a nice collectable mauser that will be great shooter and an investment and even pass on to the next generation.

 

[Boris]

Panzer Crews

During the war German tank crews where often issued pistol carbines, the C96 and Luger 1917 pistols usually strapped to the bulkheads....... Not much room in a tank for even a short rifle...

 

[jpattersonnh]

1st off, no country would ever issue a pistol instead of a rifle. The Nazi's included. A broomhandle 96 was obselite at the start of WW2. German tank crews were given 1 K98, and 1 MP38 or 40. There is no such thing as a "Tanker Carbine". Mitchell is a piece meal house. Rebuild, reblue, refinish. Not true collectors or shooters. M48(a,or b) can be nice, but a M24/47 is a true shooter. All German Bolt rifles in WW2 were 8x57, my favorite cartridge. Maybe 7.62x54r is next. JP

 

[Boris]

Well they did, sorry, the German Army was not armed in great depth, they pressed into service agood deal of obsolete weapons, the French 75 for example, and the C96 was no exception. The reason for using pistol carbine was exactly that, it was better than a pistol when exiting a tank,yet complact enough for storeage. In any case survival of tank crews was not high they may have had other uses. I appreciate you might not like this information but never the less I believe it to be true, I got it from the horses mouth.........

 

[Boris]

Oh yes, you where right about the Mauser 98 Tanker carbine, and indeed some crews where issued MP38/38-40/40's. As a footnote until fairly recently Norway issued their tank crews surplus MP40's

 

[jeepejeep]

Wow! Thank you guys! I was going to get a MM for my son but now I'll just shop the gun stores and shows. I believe you've saved me some $$$$.

 

[jpattersonnh]

Well they did, sorry, the German Army was not armed in great depth, they pressed into service agood deal of obsolete weapons, the French 75 for example, and the C96 was no exception. The reason for using pistol carbine was exactly that, it was better than a pistol when exiting a tank,yet complact enough for storeage. In any case survival of tank crews was not high they may have had other uses. I appreciate you might not like this information but never the less I believe it to be true, I got it from the horses mouth.........

Show Me! jp

 

[Boris]

I worked with a cop in the North West of England for a number of years, Helmut Lange, he was German born, his father Hans Pieter Lange at 16 was a junior NCO and gunner in a SS Panzer Gruppe, and served with Pieper in the Ardennes Offensive. He was captured during the war and sent to the UK. If he is still alive you will find him in the BT telephone Directory for Huddesfield in the UK (international code: 0 11 44).

He was a nice guy and extremely open about his service, and for some years was a steward of a British Servicemen's club, he spoke to me about it a number of times and it was where I got the information.

I believe him and on serviving examples of Tigers and Panthers (UK National Tank Museum) have fixtures in the turrets consistant with the carrying of pistol carbines......... I you do not wish to accept my view thats fair enough you are of course intitled to your point of view, the matter is at an end.

 

[robocop10mm]

Everything I have read and heard is that Mitchell's Mausers uses the "Tanker" name to sell products that are just run of the mill rifles. Kinda like "Tanker" Garands. Were there Garands in some tanks? Sure. The reality is some like to use "Cool" sounding names to sell products to an unsuspecting clientel. "Tactical" is the modern equivalent. To be cool, it must be tactical. 15 years ago it had to be black to be "tacticool". Now it has to be digital cammo. Some people just have to have the coolest latest crap available. I see guys at the range with their tacticool AR's with every accessory under the sun that cannot hold a group or clear a malfunction to save their lives. Kind of like the guy that gets the Corvette L-6 or Hayabusa that has no driving (riding) skills. Freaking idiots. Tacticool, Tanker, Supercharged, 180 mph tools for the tool with a little tool!

 

[jpattersonnh]

I worked with a cop in the North West of England for a number of years, Helmut Lange, he was German born, his father Hans Pieter Lange at 16 was a junior NCO and gunner in a SS Panzer Gruppe, and served with Pieper in the Ardennes Offensive. He was captured during the war and sent to the UK. If he is still alive you will find him in the BT telephone Directory for Huddesfield in the UK (international code: 0 11 44).

He was a nice guy and extremely open about his service, and for some years was a steward of a British Servicemen's club, he spoke to me about it a number of times and it was where I got the information.

I believe him and on serviving examples of Tigers and Panthers (UK National Tank Museum) have fixtures in the turrets consistant with the carrying of pistol carbines......... I you do not wish to accept my view thats fair enough you are of course intitled to your point of view, the matter is at an end.

If I am incorrect, I appologize. as for Tanker 8x57, 30.06, no such animal existed beyond the test stage w/ the 30.06 M1. Any "Tanker" in the U.S. is bogus! JP

 

[radtech]

Mauser tanker carbine

The Germans had no Mauser tanker carbine in WWII.The only Mauser carbine was the G33-40 used by mountain troops.I do not know of any country that had a tankers carbine.The US Garand"tanker carbine"M1E5 never went into production all prototypes except 3 were destroyed.


Dallas

 

[Laufer]

How about an excerpt from an MM ad in the July NRA magazine,
"American Rifleman"? Have also seen their well-illuminated rifles in "Shotgun News" ads.

This is a small bit from the NRA magazine, page 31: "...It bears original German markings that document its production in WWII Germany".

They are supposedly Yugoslavian versions of German guns. They are known to be fairly accurate, but their listed price of $400 is known to be quite inflated-they are not collector guns, that is, reportedly not authentic all-German rifles from WWII.
Misrepresentations happen a lot with guns, and MM supposedly had a low ranking with the BBB (Better Business Bureau), although this advertisement has the BBB logo-but what does that prove? Their rating is not published in the ad. The address indicates that they are in Fountain Valley, CA, 92728. Maybe somebody can visit the business for an inside look.

Also be aware that many authentic German Mausers were captured by Soviet troops and refurbished in that country. Even some authentic German Mauser production quality slipped a bit at the end of the war due to the conditions, based on research.