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Fears confirmed

Well...it appears that most of our fears were confirmed. Obama just mentioned he will press for limiting mags to 10rds, an AWB, and background checks reform...which he stated he would give more insight into later in the week.
What scares me most though is his acknowledgement that he is willing to use executive power to get some of these laws passed. We have a hard time ahead of us. I hope it turns out better then I fear.
 

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There's only certain things he can accomplish by executive powers. And of those things rewriting the constitution is NOT one of them.
 

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The EO is meant to clarify a law that was passed or how it should be enforced, not create law or to modify existing law or the constitution. Rep. Stockman of TX already spoke of congress handling executive over reach if he pushes it.
 

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Freshman lawmaker threatens impeachment over gun rights

Then you have Freshman Republican Rep. Steve Stockman (Texas) on Monday said he would "seek to thwart" executive action by President Obama in regard to gun laws by any means necessary, even if it means "filing articles of impeachment."

"The White House’s recent announcement they will use executive orders and executive actions to infringe on our constitutionally-protected right to keep and bear arms is an unconstitutional and unconscionable attack on the very founding principles of this republic," Stockman said in a statement. "I will seek to thwart this action by any means necessary, including but not limited to eliminating funding for implementation, defunding the White House, and even filing articles of impeachment."

At a press conference in the East Room on Monday, Obama said he would consider executive actions on gun control, but said such actions would be limited in scope.

"Responsible gun owners ... they don't have anything to worry about," Obama said.

The president also ripped opponents for what he said were efforts of "ginning up fear" among gun owners.

But Stockman on Monday called potential executive action by the president "an existential threat to this nation."

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms is what has kept this nation free and secure for over 200 years," he continued. "The very purpose of the Second Amendment is to stop the government from disallowing people the means to defend themselves against tyranny. Any proposal to abuse executive power and infringe upon gun rights must be repelled with the stiffest legislative force possible.

"Under no circumstances whatsoever may the government take any action that disarms any peaceable person — much less without due process through an executive declaration without a vote of Congress or a ruling of a court. The President’s actions are not just an attack on the Constitution and a violation of his sworn oath of office," he continued, "they are a direct attack on Americans that place all of us in danger. If the President is allowed to suspend constitutional rights on his own personal whims, our free republic has effectively ceased to exist."

Obama said Monday he planned to review recommendations from Vice President Biden's working group, and would outline his plan to reduce gun violence by the end of the week. Obama did not say say whether an assault weapons ban would be central to that effort.


http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...ith-impeachment-over-gun-action#ixzz2HzNXiSvx
 

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I'm expecting a new world record on a judicial injunction. The NRA probably already has attorneys lined up in every circuit outside the 9th.
 

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As near as I can tell, he can't pull off the 10 round limit without legislation. Most of what he can do through EO or Executive Actions sound reasonable but without funding the States he can't really implement a better background process or mental health checks.

In short, there really isn't much Obama can do but I sense he is trying hard to save face.

What kind of pisses me off is that I wish people had fought against Obamacare or many other deals as hard as they have pushed for their guns. We might not be in this mess if we had.
 

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Even the "Caliph of Washington" (May Allah bless his name) cannot rule by decree.
 

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Just imagine an executive order limiting free speech, the womans vote. The nullification of slavery. The...heck ANY of our constitution...
Sickening.
 

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As near as I can tell, he can't pull off the 10 round limit without legislation. Most of what he can do through EO or Executive Actions sound reasonable but without funding the States he can't really implement a better background process or mental health checks.

In short, there really isn't much Obama can do but I sense he is trying hard to save face.

What kind of pisses me off is that I wish people had fought against Obamacare or many other deals as hard as they have pushed for their guns. We might not be in this mess if we had.
I think you are forgetting what took place in 2010.
 

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Another forum I frequent, had an entire thread devoted to the healthcare bill. The general consensus was that now that the health care bill passed, they would go after the guns.

Some of the people on this other forum are "in the know", and have or are DC insiders.

Sandy Hook was just what they were waiting for. (I'm not saying it was staged or set up, I'm just saying, they had ideas and laws written up, that they were waiting for the best time to dust off and shove through).
 

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Another forum I frequent, had an entire thread devoted to the healthcare bill. The general consensus was that now that the health care bill passed, they would go after the guns.

Some of the people on this other forum are "in the know", and have or are DC insiders.

Sandy Hook was just what they were waiting for. (I'm not saying it was staged or set up, I'm just saying, they had ideas and laws written up, that they were waiting for the best time to dust off and shove through).

Never let a good crisis go to waste!

These folks are willing to dance in the blood of children to advance their agenda.
 

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The same people who are part of an agenda touting population control, led by people who planned the murder of 25 million Americans...

NEVER DISARM
 

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I think you are forgetting what took place in 2010.
Not a bit. Unfortunately, it looked like many decided that fight was won and sat on their hands in 2012.

My hope now is a repeat of 2010 in 2014. Otherwise it is going to be a miserable 4 years.
 

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Mosin said:
Just imagine an executive order limiting free speech, the womans vote. The nullification of slavery. The...heck ANY of our constitution...
Sickening.
True, are they going to put a ten word limit on free speech? That would be interesting.
 

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Reason and logic are needed

What we need is for the pro gun groups, including the NRA, to approach these bills with a calm, reasonable and logical response. They should aim to educate the public. I read alot of articles on the internet and the responses. I also reply to provide some logic and education. Most people who do not own a firearm are led to believe that assault weapons are fully automatic machine guns and are the same as what is used in the military. Politicians use this misunderstanding and breed fear and further ignorance on this subject. The public does not understand that the items listed in the previous ban were all cosmetic and not functional.

But we also need to be open to suggestions. Requiring background checks for any sale of a firearm is reasonable. If a private citizen wants to sell a gun to another person, it is not a big deal to go to a FFL dealer and have them complete the paperwork. This would help to ensure people who should not have a firearm dont get them and it also provides business and supports our local gun dealers. This rule would not hurt gun shows as background checks can be completed quite easily at these events. As for high capacity magazines, I do not know of any sound, logical, reasonable response to a ban on them. Besides the fact that there are so many in peoples hands that a ban would not decrease their use. By giving some ground on this subject we can help minimize the impact of these rule. I have heard of politicians saying that they will make it a crime to be in posession of any high capacity magazine. I dont know how this would work as that would require people who own them legally to get rid of them.

I am a stout proponent of the Second Ammendment. I own multiple firearms, including an AR and other "assault style weapons". But I also know that there is no way to prevent some laws passing this year. We have to give some ground or face highly restrictive laws. Look to NY as an example.
 

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Requiring background checks for any sale of a firearm is reasonable.
No it's not. It's stupid. Only the law abiding will follow it. Criminals will ignore it.

It would also be unenforceable. It is a needless burden on the law abiding population. Also, private transactions should remain private. I should not have to check in with a government agency to sell my property.

Considering that about 1% or less of crimes were committed by a handgun that was sold by one individual to another, and there is no telling how many of those were actually straw purchases, it is essentially another pointless law.

We already have too many pointless laws in this country.

Sometimes it ain't about the 2nd Amendment. Sometimes it's about telling the government enough is enough.
 

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What we need is for the pro gun groups, including the NRA, to approach these bills with a calm, reasonable and logical response. They should aim to educate the public. I read alot of articles on the internet and the responses. I also reply to provide some logic and education. Most people who do not own a firearm are led to believe that assault weapons are fully automatic machine guns and are the same as what is used in the military. Politicians use this misunderstanding and breed fear and further ignorance on this subject. The public does not understand that the items listed in the previous ban were all cosmetic and not functional.

But we also need to be open to suggestions. Requiring background checks for any sale of a firearm is reasonable. If a private citizen wants to sell a gun to another person, it is not a big deal to go to a FFL dealer and have them complete the paperwork. This would help to ensure people who should not have a firearm dont get them and it also provides business and supports our local gun dealers. This rule would not hurt gun shows as background checks can be completed quite easily at these events. As for high capacity magazines, I do not know of any sound, logical, reasonable response to a ban on them. Besides the fact that there are so many in peoples hands that a ban would not decrease their use. By giving some ground on this subject we can help minimize the impact of these rule. I have heard of politicians saying that they will make it a crime to be in posession of any high capacity magazine. I dont know how this would work as that would require people who own them legally to get rid of them.

I am a stout proponent of the Second Ammendment. I own multiple firearms, including an AR and other "assault style weapons". But I also know that there is no way to prevent some laws passing this year. We have to give some ground or face highly restrictive laws. Look to NY as an example.
If you give a liberal in inch he will be your ruler
Giving in and negotiating hasn't won us any ground in the past and they know it as well as we do. All they are doing is moving the window further and further left as they have done before and will do again. Write your reps, join a major 2A lobby and DONATE!
 
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