Just got a Glock 17 & have questions

Discussion in 'Glock Forum' started by tomrich, Oct 12, 2010.

  1. tomrich

    tomrich New Member

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    just got a glock 17, picking it up in a couple days. can i shoot +P ammo and does anyone have a preference on bulk target ammo, anything i should stay away from
     
  2. lcjones

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    +P

    Do not shoot +P in the Glock (any Glock). It is a very good gun but barrel strength is not one of its great qualities.
    lcj
     

  3. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    Sorry this thread hasn't generated more responses, perhaps I can help bump it.

    I am not a Glock expert by any means. :cool:

    I do not believe the Glock is rated, from the company, to handle +P rounds. That does not mean that the gun can't shoot them, I have read many people have done so and not had an issue. All I am saying is that if you have a warranty issue, double check your warranty info before you EVER mention +P in any way shape or form to Glock themselves. Their customer service is supposed to be pretty good, according so what I have read, but why risk it?

    As for a good range round? We but standard, ball, 115 gr. 9mm ammo in bulk and use that for target practice. My girl carries 147gr in her carry pistol that is hollowpoint Ranger ammo. I love that stuff.

    Hopefully one of the more knowledgeable Glock folks will be by soon to shoot you straight. :p

    JD
     
  4. Glasshartt

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    Mine eat anything I put through them, and I have put some pretty low budget, low bid crap through the gen 1 19 with no ammo feeding issues. I normally use Gold Dot for duty ammo and usually fire at leat one mag of that when qualifying. Ditto about the 115 grain ball for practice.
     
  5. ElvisIsDead

    ElvisIsDead New Member

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    Not at all a fan of any plastic guns here. I'm not knocking Glock alone. I just don't like plastic guns but I do like to gain knowledge and learn anywhere I can. I knew Glocks can not shoot cast lead bullets but am I understanding this correctly that they can not handle +P either?

    If this is true why would anyone buy one? Seems kind of silly.
     
  6. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    I am not saying they can not handle the +P rated stuff. There are countless posts and vidoes around the 'webz that show Glocks shooting +P rated ammo.

    I do not believe that they weapon comes out of the box "rated" by the manufacturer to shoot a heavy diet of +P or +P+ ammo. Meaning if you shoot it, and something happens, Glock is not going to be responsible. I may not be correct in this, so don't take my word for it, but I do not believe they are rated to handle it from the manufacturer.

    They are not the only company that does not rate for +P or +P+ out of the box, it is a common practice.

    Lawyers being lawyers.
     
  7. Glasshartt

    Glasshartt New Member

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    Elvis,

    If you can't provide useful information, don't start bashing. that is not the point of this thread.
     
  8. Gatekeeper

    Gatekeeper New Member

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    Not the best source, but I'm sick of looking:p
    from Glock pistol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia when it was designed for Austrian trials, some of the criteria were:

    The pistol must fire the NATO-standard 9x19mm Parabellum cartridge.

    No more than 20 malfunctions are permitted during the first 10,000 rounds fired, not even minor jams that can be cleared without the use of any tools.
    After firing 15,000 rounds of standard ammunition, the pistol will be inspected for wear.
    The pistol will then be used to fire an overpressure test cartridge generating 5,000 bar (72,518 psi) :eek:(the normal maximum operating pressure Pmax for the 9 mm NATO is rated at 2,520 bar (36,550 psi)). The critical components must continue to function properly and be up to specifications, otherwise the pistol will be disqualified.

    ..............
    Also from 9x19mm Parabellum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    9 mm NATO variant
    The 9 mm cartridge has been manufactured by, or for, more than 70 different countries and has become a standard pistol caliber for NATO and other military forces around the world. Its official nomenclature among NATO users is "9 mm NATO". The 9 mm NATO can be considered as an overpressure variant of the 9x19mm Parabellum that is defined by NATO standards. The service pressure Pmax of the 9 mm NATO is rated at 252 MPa (36,550 psi) where C.I.P. rates the 9 mm Luger PTmax somewhat lower at 235 MPa (34,083 psi). The 315.0 MPa (45,687 psi) proofing test pressure used in the 9 mm NATO proof test however equals the proofing test pressure used in the 9 mm Luger C.I.P. proof test.

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    SAAMI standard 9mm is rated at 35,000psi
    SAAMI +P rated to 38,500psi

    Nato rounds are tested using the European C.I.P pressure testing methods which from my understanding usually show lower pressures with the same cartridge than the SAAMI method.
    I have read that 9mm Nato loadings when tested to SAAMI specs can run over 40,000psi

    I'm no expert by any means, but IMO I would have no problem occasionally running +p ammo in a G17.

    Contact Glock if you have any concerns yourself
    GLOCK, Inc.
    6000 Highlands Parkway
    Smyrna, GA 30082
    U.S.A.
    Tel.: 770 - 432 1202
     
  9. tomrich

    tomrich New Member

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    thanks for all the info and hard research
     
  10. M14sRock

    M14sRock New Member

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    The G17 can handle +P, no problem.
    They shoot the Uzi, SMG ammo just fine.
    They eat the Fiocchi 123gr Combat with no problem.

    Hundreds and hundreds of thousands of rounds of them. No problem.
     
  11. 1911Jeeper

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    Straight from the Glock Armorer's Manual -> GLOCK pistols are designed to be fired with NATO specification ammunition. GLOCK pistols will function properly with the new generation of 9x19mm FMJ ammunition including all +p+ and 147 grain subsonic ammunition. Hand Loaded, reloaded and re-manufactured ammunition voids the GLOCK Factory Warranty. <-




    Which means, shoot factory new, full metal jacket (FMJ) ammo, and you will be fine. Non Jacketed lead bullets should be avoided due to the GLOCK barrel design.


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  12. beaglesam

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    For target ammo your glock will shoot anything. Go with cheap stuff at Walmart.
     
  13. ElvisIsDead

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    I'm not bashing Glocks or any brand. I am asking a question about them. If you read the posts above mine you will see a couple members saying they are not rated for +P ammo. I am asking if it is true. I have never heard that. I have heard from several people I have talked to, read on other forums and read here that the barrel is not good for reloads but I have never heard anything saying they can not handle +P loads. I am looking for information not providing information.
     
  14. NGIB

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    Dillinger already explained that many manufacturers choose to not rate their guns for +p type ammo to avoid potential legal issues. M14sRock (who knows Glocks) then stated it's fine to shoot +p through them. I don't know how this question could better be answered. Remember, your buddy Gary is no longer among us so he can't jump in and tell a mod to close the thread...
     
  15. ElvisIsDead

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    I can appreciate the input of the two members you suggested have answered the question however there are also several posts suggesting otherwise. I like to get as many answers as I can rather than to call one person the almighty expert. Not to mention, the post you commented on from M14sRock, which was a very good answer, was made long after I asked the question I asked.

    I'm not at all insulting your holy Glock. I am gathering information. I do not own a Glock and most likely never will own one as I don't care for plastic guns. I am just gaining knowledge by reading as many opinions as I can. I don't much care for the plastic S&W's, Sig's, Springfield's or Taurus's either but I do like to learn why others like them. I even bought one Springfield XD just to see what the big hype was all about. That gun sits in my closet and comes out less than once a year unless my son borrows it. I'm not bashing Springfield anymore than I am Glock.

    I don't care for convertible cars either. I'm not insulting convertibles or people who drive them. I just don't care for them myself.
     
  16. NGIB

    NGIB New Member

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    This is hilarious. I don't own Glocks nor do I really care for Glocks. I was just suggesting to you that you actually READ what was posted by 2 very knowledgeable members...
     
  17. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    I stand corrected and freely admit that I was not correct in my understanding that Glock did not warranty their weapon for +P rated rounds. All Apologies, as I stated, I know a lot of posts and videos around the web have shown them shooting +P without a problem, but was unsure about the warranty. Now we know for sure.

    Thank you for the clear and definitive answer Jeeper!
     
  18. Neophyte1

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    Google Answer

    By and large; a simple ''Glock 17 shooting +p" will take you to more answers

    what I posted earlier; ''has'' the answer:)

    From Glock Armory:)

    Dillinger: Sir; I posted while you were posting; I don't know how to delete my post:)
     
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  19. lcjones

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    Just one more note. As a gunsmith, I have seen two Glocks that would never fire another round. Both had the top hood of the barral blown off. +P Ammo and no warranty. lcj