Today I made the move. I got a Stag mdl. 4. It was difficult trying to decide what to buy. There is so much info out there that it makes your head spin. I always liked the carbines but I am going to shoot paper at 100 yds., so the 20 in. brl. and solid stock. I went to Jo Jo's Gun Works to just "talk" about what I might want. Yea right, "just talk". Well they had this "used" unfired Stag for such a good price that I couldn't pass it up. Of course I had to add a couple of "improvements", a better muzzle break and a 2 stage trigger to start with. Next I'm going to need a scope and maybe a bipod. I can't wait to pop off some rounds. I'll let you know how I like it.