Well i gotta say curiousity got the better of me. I was in a local pawn shop a week & a half ago gettin an FFL copy for a gunbroker transfer & see they had a very lightly used Hi point C9 for $120. i looked it over a few times & decided "i'll come back in a week & if it's still here i'll buy it." well sonofabitch it was still there today. $100 out the door & i got the original box, owners manual, trigger lock, extra mag & extra rear sight with adjustment tool. took it home, cleaned it up & went to the range with it. i must say i am very suprised. after figuring out the ghost ring sight on paper at about 10 yards, i started plinking at an empty mountain dew bottle about 25 yards away. 1 out of 4 shots i hit it & all misses were in the dirt very close by.....if it would've been a bad guy, they all would've been center mass shots. out of 100 rounds of winchester whites i had 3 failure to feeds that i'm 99% sure i caused from accidentily hitting the mag release. otherwise no jams of any sort, it went bang every time i pulled the trigger. now it is far from a perfect gun. loading the first round into the magazines is a bit awkward, it is top heavy (that's ok, i like my women that way too ), & it recoiled a suprising amount more than my Radom 35 9mm. but i'm guessing that might be mostly cuz of the inertia of that heavy slide moving on each shot. but all in all, this may be the best $100 i have spent on a firearm or accessory & i am very happy with it so far.