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Discussion in 'Curio & Relic Discussion' started by mikliska, Apr 15, 2009.

  1. mikliska

    mikliska New Member

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    Hello all. I'm new to the mauser scene but have collected european military rifles for some time now. The reason I've joined (and this doesn't mean I won't be back) is my recent mauser purchase. It appears to be a wierd one or maybe an undesirable one. I need help identifying it before proceeding with any work.

    It is clearly labeled mauser but has a turn down bolt and chinese or korean (I never payed attention in school) markings in the stock.

    Many thanks to anyone who participates.
    Oh, thoughts on what I should do with it?
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    As it turns... the bolt doesn't match the reciever. anyt ideas?
     
  2. ScottG

    ScottG New Member

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    hmm. No images. I'd like to see it. Maybe Hewbrew markings? Many captured Mausers made their way to help liberate and protect Israel after '48.

    Mismatched parts are common, just rebuilds put together without regards to our later desire for all matched parts. Imagine that, they didn't even take us into account when they rebuilt them.... :p
     

  3. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    OK- this is a REAL stab in the dark- you may have (operative word there is MAY) a Hanyang Carbine, made by the Chinese in roughly the 1935-45 period. Patterned after the mauser 88. See also Chung Kai Shek rifle. Link for ya:
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    See anything there that looks like yours?
     
  4. mikliska

    mikliska New Member

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    I was certain I posted some pics with that.
    anyway here are some pics of it.

    oh, and the numbers on the bolt don't match those anywhere else.
     

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  5. Benning Boy

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    Where did you get it? I can think of an undesirable dealer that often provides mismatched Mausers to the unsuspecting.
     
  6. JiroZero713

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    Stock looks like those Brazilian ones I saw on Classic arms which are chambered in 7mm if I'm correct?
     
  7. mikliska

    mikliska New Member

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    got it from a friend whose had it for years but i've no idea where he got it.
     
  8. ScottG

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    The markings appear to be the Imperial Japanese Mum. I'd say you have a collectors item there.

    How much did you pay?
     
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  9. mikliska

    mikliska New Member

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    I threw $100- at it. Is that bad? firing pin is broken... but i also got a broomhandle with the deal (non-functional but clean... ish)?

    The actual deal was $300 for the mauser, the broom and an Enfield I picked up for my friend. My friend paid $100 for the Enfield.

    By the way... I need help with the broom.
     
  10. ScottG

    ScottG New Member

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    $100 for a Mauser?!

    No matter what it is, if it's a true mauser, it's worth more than $100. A firing pin is nothing to replace. Can you post a picture of the whole rifle?
     
  11. mikliska

    mikliska New Member

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    Sorry for the delay. I had trouble getting the size down to an acceptable level. The bolt is incomplete (for the photo) and the forend band retainer sring is not in place (once again, for the photo).
     

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  12. JiroZero713

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    Good god....that's a damn good deal...300 for all of that?
     
  13. mikliska

    mikliska New Member

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    yeh, but I'm afraid I'll need a complete bolt as the pin is pretty buggerd from multiple dry firings (I'm guessing).

    I don't know what the broom needs other than a puzzle master. That's a complicated piece!
     
  14. Dcomf

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    What you have is a commercial Mauser 98 bought by the Chinese more than likely during the 30's. That is a commercial Mauser banner on the top of the receiver and chinese writing on the side. Definitely not the Japanese imperial mum, that has 16 petals.
     
  15. mikliska

    mikliska New Member

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    so, does that make it special, rare, unique or none of the above?
     
  16. Dcomf

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    Well, it's a Chinese contract german made mauser patterned after the k98k and definitely not a chinese made version with questionable strength. The markings on the side are the chinese "sunburst", an acceptance stamp of the chinese. My understanding is these were bought by "Generallisimo" Chang Kai Shek and used in the war against Japan and later in the fight against communists. It has probably seen its share of fights. Overall, it's a quality built rifle with the Mauser name, enjoy it for what it is. As far as value I couldn't guess.
     
  17. mikliska

    mikliska New Member

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    so, as far as alteration, I shouldn't touch it? I just wanted to make it a target rifle and maybe bed the barrel and match the reciever & barrel do a blueprint job AND add a scope. Oh, and eliminate the rust. Do you think this would kill the value (monitary or historic)?
     
  18. Dcomf

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    As far as I'm concerned the only real value it has is what you place on it. When all is said and done the only thing left original will be the action from what you say. Are you planning on rebarreling? Getting a new stock? D&T for scope mount? Unless you plan on doing those things I wouldn't think it worth it to alter. Keep it as is for its history and curiousity value. Go get another more readily available surplus mauser and build that. Personally I'm partial to how it is now.
     
  19. mikliska

    mikliska New Member

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    I don't plan any mods, just a thorough blue-printing and maybe bedding the barrel. If it has no historic value I may change the barrel or add a scope. There is no way I'm getting brid of that stock!