Browning for sure. While Stoner made some innovative designs, browning made designs both innovative and oractical. Look at the browning 1919, Ma deuce, and 1911, just for starters.Big-Nasty said:Which firearms designer do you believe played the biggest role and had the biggest impact on American history based only on the firearms they designed that were used by our troops in wars, John Browning or Eugene Stoner?
Ahhhh the sweet sound of rapid love the Ma Deucepagj17 said:Browning for sure. While Stoner made some innovative designs, browning made designs both innovative and oractical. Look at the browning 1919, Ma deuce, and 1911, just for starters.
+1 - Don't overlook the shotguns that were the result of Browning's innovations.Browning for sure. While Stoner made some innovative designs, browning made designs both innovative and oractical. Look at the browning 1919, Ma deuce, and 1911, just for starters.
I agree to an extent, it's the AR not being in any historically significant battles that I don't agree with. Siege of khe sahn, Tet offensive, and fallujah just to start with. Yeah, Fallujah was not the battle of the bulge, or the frozen chosin, but they were VERY significant.TLuker said:Stoner was responsible for the AR but I don't think the AR has played any significant role in history. It may have been invaluable to the men and women that carried an AR during service, but from a historical standpoint I wouldn't describe any of those battles as significant.
Browning's designs played a significant role in WWI and WWII. I don't think any war is more historically significant than WWII?
In terms of historical significance there is no comparison.![]()
Lets ignore the 1911 for a moment (as if thats even possible) lets look at the Winchester 1895...i could be wrong, but i believe that is the longest running rifle in production. (even tho winchester recently quit production...SAD day in American history!)Okay, let's compare a couple of signature designs by Browning and Stoner, the 1911 and AR. Today's AR is a very effective firearm, but it has been going through a series of modifications and improvements for the last 50 years. The first ARs released were very different than what we have today. When they were first were put to the field test in combat there were some serious problems with them. The 1911 was a great handgun from the very beginning and proved to be very effective for it's intended use in combat. The design of the 1911 has remained virtually unchanged for 100 years. I would say that Browning was the better designer of firearms. But of course I am one of those guys that think the M-14 was a better rifle than what replaced it, but that is another subject.
I agree to an extent, it's the AR not being in any historically significant battles that I don't agree with. Siege of khe sahn, Tet offensive, and fallujah just to start with. Yeah, Fallujah was not the battle of the bulge, or the frozen chosin, but they were VERY significant.
That being said, I agree that Browning's designs have been MORE historically significant, and I believe he was the more influential designer.