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Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by Amsdorf, Jan 12, 2013.
So your post prompted me to watch his video so I could develop my own opinion. Couple of thoughts......
Since the advent of YouTube everyone seems that any thought in their head should be public knowledge. Ironically these same individuals get upset when people send rebuttal emails or counter with their own YouTube videos. If we make our opinions public (like this forum) then you are subjecting yourself to other opinions.
As far as James's videos are concerned. I get that they guy is upset about all this gun banning talk and action at the government level. Many feel the same way, but I agree that when you make a YouTube video that says "F" this and "F" that....you are probably not going to get the positive reaction you had hoped for. For the non-shooting public who are not against guns videos like this do not help....however the shooting community like any other community is made up of some great people and some not so great people so it comes with the territory. I am less concerned about people like James and his YouTube video and more concerned with the people who have power to influence on shows like CNN, FOX, Face The Nation, etc. Those representatives should be sharp, smart and balanced. Unfortunatley, like I have posted before we have a lot of nut jobs hitting the shows who cannot debate intelligently and that is really hurting us and the shooting community. James is just another guy with a camera and something to say on YouTube.
TN Dept. of Safety has suspended his concealed carry license.
Northhike, it's not the obscenity and vulgarity it is his threat to "start killing people" added to his previous video in which he issued a public challenge for anyone who says he is a coward to come say it to his face, and then the posting of a document to be filled out for a formal duel, yes, that's right, he did that.
He is a disgrace to the entire shooting community and has given every responsible gun owner a black eye, since his kind of crazy is precisely what the liberals want to see from us.
His latest "I'm going to start killing people" video now has gone viral and has been featured in national and international media!
The guy acted like a meth head in the video. I think he is due for a psyc evaluation and should not be within a thousand yards of any gun, child, or other human being.
That video will be used by anti-gunners to show what nuts gun owners are really like. Thanks Yeager, you may have sealed their deals.
This was posted previously on same subject matter. And it bears repeating. I understand James Yeager's outrage, as I understand the larger picture of government buying 450,000,000 hollow point ammo for homeland security to be used not for target practice nor for Afghanistan replacements, and at the same time, as in a transparent chess move, take firearms away from Americans and divorce them from their 2nd amendment rights. I understand James' outrage. I don't support the syntax of that delivery. But I understand the outrage. Anyway, to put it more succinctly, here is the previous thought I posted on same subject:
The voice of frustration. It's the same voice resounding in many a people's head currently. I just wonder when does push come to shove?
Gerald Celente said it best, " ... when people who have lost everything and have nothing left to lose, they lose it."
What a tit, Im sure hes doing it for the attention.
Remember to point out the CNN video where in an interview a guy advocates "popping" Alex Jones with an Ar-15. And all the calls to kill all NRA members and their children... hardly any less outrageous.
I heard the FDA took away his right to bare arms, and made him wear long sleeves, on account of melenoma raising insurance rates under Obamacare.
He didn't say he was just going to start killing people.
He said if they started taking away his rights he would.
Well, isn't that what the 2nd amednment is all about, defending ourselves from enemies both foriegn and domestic?
I don't know how many times I've read on various forums people claiming to take action if the government does some of the things they are talking about doing.
James Yeager puts his feelings in a video for all to see while others simply type it out on a forum. And then they call him crazy. Really?
It's easy to hide behind a keyboard and monitor. If you aren't willing to put it on video, don't post it on a forum thinking the powers that be won't see it.
Although his videos are rough around the edge sometimes, he's only saying the same thing many others are.
"I use swear words because I'm a man."
"If you know the most modest amount about shooting, you know I'm not a coward."
"Their command center is down in the basement in their mom's house."
"I go to a lot of conventions, NRA conventions...seek me out...say it to my face."
"My points are logical and scientific because they are irrefutable."
"I have a couple of tattoos. One is basically a Samurai in full tactical gear, kind of blends my philosophies of modern fighting. I like tattoos and I'll be getting more."
"I'm told I have an ego problem all the time. Only somebody with an ego problem would tell me I have an ego problem."
"I've got the mind of a scientist, the body of Rambo and a c***k like a boa constrictor."
"My IQ has been tested at the lowest at 128. There's a 97% chance I'm smarter than you."
"How can I kill man with one finger? Put it on a trigger."
"I shrug my shoulder and tug on my shirt. It's a nervous tick. I'm here giving you free information that has taken me my entire adult life to gather. Is my twitch that relevant?"
"I like this style of shirt and I'm told I'm too old to wear this style of shirt. Type in "tattoo shirts" on Amazon and you'll find cool shirts like this one."
"Why are you such a bad ***? I'm half German and half Scotch/Irish. That explains my propensity for violence."
"The whole world makes fun of me."
His delivery was harsh and will be used by our adversaries...however, it's not nearly as harsh or outrageous as the psychotic liberals who called for the murder of NRA members following sandy hook.
Bubba Gubment needs to hear his resolve and needs to understand that he's NOT a "lone" cook...
Uncle Joe's comments stirred up a hornets nest...and was floated as a test bubble to see exactly what the response would be. Our current officials who would love to disarm this country know that if even 10% resist, they have NO chance of accomplishing there utopia.
I watched both videos and did not see any "threat" to act...what I saw was an ultimatum...and anyone who understands the intent of 2A should get it.
On our side of the fence, I see a large number of patriots who loath the thought of violence but who also stand ready to defend themselves and there liberty if pushed and everyones seems to be wondering the same thing. How far is too far?
Europe has shown us the answer to that question is registration...REFUSE....and when confiscation follows...you will have maintained the option to choose.
Defence of Liberty is ALWAYS the right answer, regardless of the uniform worn by the oppressor.
I get it and I heard it in his videos. The reason this stuff goes viral is because of two reasons: 1 - The anti-gun people who are also extreme want any information, videos, etc. to further their points and 2 - Unfortunatley there is a bunch of extreme people in the pro gun camp that think this guy is right on the money. I am deep into the shooting community and have been for some time. Its good to bring this to people's attention, but its a double edged sword as it also creates more viewers of his video. We can't help what nut jobs hit the internet....its free and unregulated. What we can do is get good representation with a person who can debate, speak intelligently without screaming and can bring a clear picture to the public. I couldn't even stand to watch the Alex Jones interview with Piers Morgan as he looked like an idiot....it was painful to watch. We need smart people on our side....not loud, obnoxious, profanity blasting blow hards who can't bring logic to these arguments. For example....Peiers Morgan wants to argue the gun deaths in the US vs. the UK. Well....there are nearly 400 million people in the US compared to 62 million in the UK. America also has a much larger population of illegal immigrants because everyone and their brother wants to be in the US....including Piers Morgan. We need smart people and I hope they show up soon.
I couldn't get past your first sentence. Do you not see the problem? Regardless of why, he would,,,,what?
You do or do not, you don't get on a public forum and threaten. The gun community and SOF community, et al, need to make a public statement that JY does NOT represent any of us and that he is part of the problem, not part of the solution.
Understanding JY's frustration begins with understanding that the only "solution" our adversaries are interested in IS disarmament...period.
I agree that his video was over the top and ill advised however, his resolve is quietly shared by many...and with an administration contemplating violations of 2a liberties vie executive order...it's a message they need to hear.
Personally, I did not serve my country see it torn apart by civil war because we happen to have a bunch of adolescents running the show in DC.
Yes, I see the problem.
He said he would kill anyone who would take his rights away. In other words, defend himself.
He didn't say he was going to go out and just start killing people.
There was no "threat", only an anouncement of what he would do in response.
The main stream media has taken what was said and minipulated it into a threat. Where were they when real threats were made against the president of the NRA and it's members?
the mainstream media will turn your words into weapons to used against you. this is exactly what they are doing to him right now.
now what to i think? personally i do agree with him in his viewpoint, but disagree with his delivery of that viewpoint. his delivery and message will become more of a liability rather than an asset to our gun rights.
what do i plan on doing? that's none of anyone's business but my own.
Many valid points here.
So what is the answer, do we shut up and go sit in the corner and hope for the best?
Do we speak out, and let others use our words against us and hope for the best?
no, we don't sit back idlely and shut up or hope for the best. we join the NRA and use their voice to express our concerns. they have been at this battle for a long time and now how to speak for us.
yes we speak out, with facts and evidence that support our gun rights. we choose our choice of words carefully so they may not be used against us.
i actually believe in more of what James Yeager has to say than disagree with him, but his poor choice of expressing that viewpoint is what makes some btter suited to keeping their mouths shut and letting othrs do the talking.
now is still the time for reason and diplomacy. James Yeager clearly has neither.
You have freedom of speech. While none of us would directly threatening anyone...there is absolutely nothing wrong with stating your position. There is also nothing wrong or radical about stating the intent of the 2nd Amendment.
I've been carrying the same sig line for years now ... I'll carry that motto till the day I die. Did you ever hear the saying "speak softly and carry a big stick"