It's time we were clearer...

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by ric-hubbard, Oct 23, 2013.

  1. ric-hubbard

    ric-hubbard New Member

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    I have been following the back and forth on the Second Amendment for most of my life, always in the pro-2A side of the argument. While our opponents are are really bad at facts, they are good at the rhetoric game. They come up with terrific sound bites that make civilian disarmament sound like a real solution to the problems of crime and terrorism.

    Our side is not as good at the sound bite competition because they are so good at twisting our words. For instance, when we say that the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is with a good guy with a gun what they use it to convince those in the middle that we want to hand out guns to everyone. We say more guns when what we mean is more people properly trained and carrying the guns they are trained on and willing to step up for the good of their community.

    When we say that we think that a teacher who has gone through the proper training should be able to legally carry their handguns in order to protect their students they turn it into pro-gunners wanting to hand out handguns to every teacher.

    We need to start being more clear in what we say. Our sound bites need to say what we mean with as little a chance of twisting as possible.
     
  2. towboater

    towboater Well-Known Member

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    THe liberals will always twist the truth. It is the only way they can win.
     

  3. MisterMcCool

    MisterMcCool Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Read John Ross' "Give It To Them Straight." It is really short (one page.) Google it.
     
  4. Anna_Purna

    Anna_Purna New Member

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    It works just fine in Israel, why not here. Do you see any of these children traumatized from the gun?:rolleyes:[​IMG]



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  5. myers1991

    myers1991 New Member

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    oh the horror. I can't look.
     
  6. myers1991

    myers1991 New Member

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    Good point ric....you have a great point but the liberal gun grabbers know exactly what we mean and our intentions behind our words. But they're "selectively immune" to the facts we spit out....the only way they can defend themselves is to talk over and twist what we say around to where all the sudden we are the bad guys. It's a never ending game for them until they get what they want...control.
     
  7. John_Deer

    John_Deer New Member

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    The problem with sound bites is they are one or two sentences. It's difficult to give details in two sentences. Everything the OP posted would be more appropriate for a 30 second commercial or a short interview.
     
  8. RJMercer

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    We in the pro 2A community are generally very clear and detailed in what we say and think and I think that is part of our problem. We speak above the heads of our average low information voters just by our nature. We pay attention, they don't, and we tend to want to get all of the pertinent facts our front as quickly as possible and try to at least give them a moderate, informative, yet brief primer on the facts in the argument that they have missed or been lied to about by the low information media.
    It is difficult for logical clear headed people to sloganeer and sound bite-ize and neatly package facts and stats that would be easily absorbed by low info skulls full-o-mush.
    That's my think anyway.
     
  9. TDS92A

    TDS92A New Member Supporter

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    We could dumb down "Guns do not kill people, People kill people.", but for the life of me I cannot figure out how.
     
  10. John_Deer

    John_Deer New Member

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    You can see how angry the far left gets when you present facts they cannot refute. Imagine if they were carrying a gun when you made them angry. They would get mad and shoot someone before they could get their emotions in check. Since they are wired that way, they think everyone is wired that way.

    One of the biggest lies liberals spout is guns make it too easy to kill another human. If one had to get a knife or a club to kill someone they would calm down before they actually draw blood.

    Yet, if you observe the murder rate in England, they have no problem killing others with anything they can find or even their bare hands.
     
  11. 1911love

    1911love New Member

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    I just read an article about how doctors in the UK are shilling for the banning of long pointy kitchen knives, exact words used. I guess there that is the weapon of choice. Silly hoplophobes.
     
  12. WillWork4Ammo

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    The problem is and always will be "The Media"".As long as they parrot what the anti-gun folks push,we will never be clear.When was the last time CNN or MSNBC reported a story about a civilian stopping a criminal with a gun?Never.Because it doesn't fit their agenda.Oh,we got their full attention here in CO when we booted out 2 state senators for pushing their anti-gun crap,and we are working on booting out a 3rd (Hudak).We sent a clear message to Bloomberg,The Bradys,Kathy Giffords and Mark Kelly they are NOT welcome in Colorado.And we got 55 Colorado Sheriffs backing us up.
    I hope VA does the same when they vote for a new Governor because what McCauliffe wants to push in Virginia is way worse than what we got here in Colorado.Tell Bloomberg and Co. they are not welcome in your state!
     
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  13. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    i am not sure how you percieve our side isn't as well versed in speaking about our gun rights. i find many or most speak quite well on the subject and most usually counter with facts and hard evidence that supports our position why gun rights and our guns are important. it works quite well for people who can listen to reason and can use common sense to discern fact from fiction.

    now the problem that arrises, is that those who base their stance on emotions, rather than facts and supporting proof that undermines their position, are not listening in the first place. doesn't matter how many times you explain it, even in the most simple of terms, they never comprehend what is being said, and never will be. they either lack the ability to think and reason for themselves and someone has fed them BS for so long, they are lost anyways, or they have an agenda they feel strongly about and will stay the course they are on regardless of the facts or evidence that proves them wrong.

    and regardless of how well it's said, or how clearly it's put that even a child could understand, there is always going to be someone of the liberal gun hating mindset that will try to twist or distort the truth to suit their needs.
     
  14. therewolf

    therewolf New Member

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    Have you been watching the libtard media?


    Whenever there's a debate, some scantily clad bombshell out of

    the Victoria's Secret catalog is the Anti-gun spokesman,

    VS

    Some pasty-faced, acne victim, poorly dressed, nervous nerdy Pro

    gun-spokesman.

    Of course, while the Pro guy is speaking, the sex kitten is staring

    at him like he's got leprosy, AND he's insane.

    NOW, think about this for a minute, what group of people IS EVER

    going to side with the Pro guy, under those circumstances?


    This is a lot like the presidential race, it's not about proper

    politics, correct constitutional concepts or attractive ideologies.

    It's pretty much a flat-out prom-queen competition. And the low-cut dress,

    million-dollar face, with the 400$ makeover, is going to win, EVERY time.
     
  15. DrumJunkie

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    It's not that the pro 2A side is not as eloquent with the whole deal. It's that everything gets twisted and there is no swaying a liberal. You might get a few of the ambivilant crowd to listen...For a while but for the most part it's gun owners, against gun grabbers and add in trhe apathy bunch just because it don't matter to them.

    It has and will be a constant fight. Gun control has been in the news my while 50 years on this Earth. And it will be till they take them all. Because the anti brood will not give up just like we say we wont.

    one of the better things we can do is take one of the I don't cares and introduce them to the wonders of shooting sports. Many times the I don't cares live in family pods in apathetic bliss. You sway one you get the house. At the very least it has to be understood that we don't want everyone to own a gun. I honestly don't care if someone does or not. What does concern is the idea that they believe it wont effect them. Because we nkowe it will. Disarm the people and you only have to look at every other disarmed populace to see how well it works. Waht keeps the idiots in DC form going totally ****house crazy is the idea that the people can at the very least put up quite a stink if they have access to weapons. It doesn't matter if it's 1, 10, or 10,000. People displaying the desire to remind government they are supposed to have limits is always a good thing.
     
  16. WillWork4Ammo

    WillWork4Ammo New Member

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    The media and the left are ignorant to the fact that the only ones that benefit from gun control laws are criminals.So they pass some feel good laws based on emotion that limit how many rounds you can legally carry in a magazine and universal background checks.Both which are completely ignored by criminals who get possession of firearms and ammunition by either stealing them,or the black market.How is that stupid FOID card law working in Chicago?I doubt many of those shootings there were commited by a FOID Card holder.
    And if they think making all guns illegal will work,all they have to do is look at the drug market.Only criminals will have guns while the rest of us would be sitting ducks defenseless.
     
  17. WebleyFosbery38

    WebleyFosbery38 New Member

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    I think were very clear about the 2A, they just arent listening! The only time they listen is when we talk about giving in, then they are all ears...
     
  18. eatmydust

    eatmydust New Member

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    Honestly, I know you are all very intelligent, but I believe you are missing one major point.

    It is very expedient to trot out the mother of our most recent, unfortunate and tragic gun death victim. No person in their right mind doesn't empathize with the heart wrenching sight of a parent who has recently lost a child to any accident or crime.

    These are sight and sound bites that, in the moment, are more powerful than any logical, reasoned debate/argument/discussion.

    Most people like to think of themselves as logical beings, we are not! We are emotional beings that like to justify our actions through logical explanations. How else do you explain advertising in today's market. There is no logic to any of today's advertising, they simply appeal to our emotions, because they know from decades of testing and evaluation that we are indeed emotional beings.

    But like the tortoise and the hare, the methodical, daily assertion of the truth and our constitutional rights will win the race.
     
  19. drvsafe

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    And they're not traumatized by the bomb shelter drills either right? And what about that times the air raid siren goes off and it's NOT a drill. I have lived in Israel and I can say unequivocally: America is NOT Israel and vice versa. Israel has FAR stricter gun laws than most states in America. And the requirements you
    Must meet to legally own a handgun (as a civilian) is ridiculously strict and intrusive. Believe me if America adopted Israel's rules and regs for civilian handgun ownership we would plead to have our 2nd amendment back!
    I do agree however that teachers should be able (and dare I say required) to be trained with both their firearm and for certain hostile situations, when they are responsible for our kids. But to say Israel has it right? I think we actually have it right but the liberals are hell bent on changing that. And that is now the fight we have been charged with.
     
  20. vincent

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    Not the case all the time...:cool:

    http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Emily-Gets-Her-Gun.jpg