It's time to make the switch...

Discussion in 'AK & SKS Discussion' started by Highpower, Nov 1, 2009.

  1. Highpower

    Highpower New Member

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    Question for the group:

    I have a NIB Arsenal SA-93 (Bulgarian / milled) that I bought back in 1996. ($309.00) :D

    I've always hated the look of the stupid "ban" style thumb-hole wood stock and want to change it over to a regular military stock and hand grip. Along with all the other "compliance" bits of course....

    I haven't looked lately for parts, so does anyone have a good source for a regular stock that will fit? And what will I need to attach a pistol grip to this rifle - hardware wise? Anything special? I haven't played with any AK's for awhile now. :eek:
     
  2. Ram Rod

    Ram Rod New Member

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    It's been a while since I've searched into this subject as well. I pretty much like my Arsenal SLR-95 as is with the thumbhole stock and not too concerned about going to the standard pistol grip AK configuration. The thing about the milled receivers like both you and I have is that you'll need to cut the stock tangs off the rear of the receiver to do the swap for standard AK buttstock. I don't know of any other way, or any other products out there on the market to avoid this. Since I seem to be such a vast amount of knowledge on the subject, I have in the past taxed the resources of a few suppliers over the years that might be of help. Arsenal Inc, K-Var, and Global Trades LLC. I think Global Trades (out of Texas) has changed names and/or sites, but a search should still yield some results for you to pursue. Good luck with it all.
     

  3. diggsbakes

    diggsbakes New Member

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  4. Highpower

    Highpower New Member

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    Thanks, but I'm after wood AK furniture.
    Plastic AR stocks & grips belong on AR's, not AK's AFAIK. :)
     
  5. diggsbakes

    diggsbakes New Member

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    Good luck then!:D I've got plenty of wood and no desire to part with it. My only suggestion is to contact the company that built your rifle. Arsenal/AK USA right? Tell them you bought it during a ban period and wish to convert from a thumb-hole stock (import friendly) to a typical pistol grip style AK and wish to purchase/exchange original furniture. I'm sure they have left overs from parts kits that went directly to the polymer/tactical style.

    I personally love the raw wood and the freedom to stain and luster it to my liking.

    Google is your friend!
     
  6. diggsbakes

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    Just note before buying any replacement stock set, your milled receiver most likely has two tangs (top and bottom) that are welded in place in order to mount the stock. These may differ in length (to the hole on the tang) from that of a stock that was pulled from a stamped receiver parts kit. This won't cause you any problems with the bottom tang as a stamped receiver has no bottom tang, so you will simply have to carefully map out and drill your holes on your new stock. However, if the hole on the top tang is slightly off to the front or the rear you will not get a good fit. This can be remedied by drilling a new hole through the tang and the stock. In addition, the inside diameter of your milled receiver is most likely smaller than that of a stamped receiver due to the greater thickness, so if the receiver your stock came from was from that of stamped receiver, you will have a bit of sanding to do on the front of the stock. Again this is not a difficult task, just be sure not to remove too much wood from any one side. You will find trying to put back wood is about like trying polish a turd. ;)

    But if you're really trying to be a purist then you would research the type/how much lamination, color dye and contour of handguard that mil-spec furniture was given during the time period of issue of your rifle.
     
  7. Highpower

    Highpower New Member

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    Thanks for all the suggestions guys. With all the different AK receiver designs out there - stamped / milled / straight cut / angle cut / 1 tang / 2 tang / NO tang, ad nauseaum ..... it certainly makes me appreciate the standardization of the AR receiver platform that much more. :p

    I could MAKE just about any stock work, but I don't know that it would be worth the effort. There comes a point where I might be better off just selling / trading the rifle for one already made in the configuration that I want.

    I have a message into K-VAR to see if they can come up with what I'm looking for. If not I guess I'll be faced with trying to find a pre-ban ($$$$) rifle or picking up a stock set for a stamped receiver and playing Dr. Frankenstein.... :eek:

    Thank goodness for end-mills and bedding compound. :D
     
  8. Highpower

    Highpower New Member

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    I LOVE IT! :d
     
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  9. Highpower

    Highpower New Member

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    Well.... that was a fast response. :(

     
  10. diggsbakes

    diggsbakes New Member

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    Everyone has their flavor of choice. Some may view these issues as a hassle, I look at them as all part of the AK fun and an excuse to hang out in the garage, listen to music and learn. (oh yeah and drink beer)
     
  11. ronl

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    I think with that particular rifle you will have to attach a lower tang to the receiver either by rivets or by welding. I changed one out years ago, but I simply cut down the old stock and made a steel plate that fit in the receiver through which I screwed a bolt into the stock. I refinished the stock blonde, picked up some blonde Hungarian handguards and a grip and it turned out very well.
     
  12. diggsbakes

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    How solid is it? I know wood better than I do guns and it seems something like that would just work itself loose over time and a couple of drops. Maybe I'm not getting the whole picture though.

    But you are right about it possibly not having any tangs. There are several receiver stock variations and each one would require a different method of attachment. One more reason to have a plan before throwing away cash.
     
  13. ronl

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    It turned out very secure as it was a rather large screw. You can drill through the entire stock and put a stock bolt through it. Just make sure the block you mill in the back of the receiver is strong enough. All I used was a grinder, a good file, and a drill press. If I was going to do it again I would simply remove the recoil pad and drill the hole through the stock and put a stock bolt through it. That, with the screw through the upper tang will hold it very securely.
     
  14. diggsbakes

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    Interesting. Can you post some pics? I'm very curious to see the result as most AKers would not be as inclined to do this to a stock as you were.

    Thanks,
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  15. ronl

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    Sorry I can't get pics because I got rid of the gun many years ago. I had no qualms whatsoever about cutting up the thumbhole stock. I disliked it that much. I got lucky with the furniture. I picked up the front end of a cut Hungarian AK cheap at a gun show that had the blonde handguards, then picked up one of the fat Hungarian blonde checkered pistol grips from K-var. (I seriously doubt if you can find them any more) When I sanded down and stained the wood with golden oak the rifle looked really good. If you really want a wood PG then it is really not too hard to make at all. I've made 2 or 3 of them.