Is this rust or is the bluing partially gone?

Discussion in 'Engraving & Refinishing' started by xcoreyyyx, Jun 8, 2012.

  1. xcoreyyyx

    xcoreyyyx New Member

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    I fully cleaned this last night now I went to deal with the rust issue on it and I worked at it probably for 20 minutes with oil but there was absolutely no difference. I know that it would take much longer for it all to go away. This then brought me to the thought that maybe the bluing had partially come off due to misuse and previous rusting? Thoughts on what to do with it to make it look nice again?
     

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  2. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    It is both. Bluing is black iron oxide, rust is red iron oxide. You can use a COPPER chore boy pot scubber and light oil to get rust off, but bluing is history in those spots.
     

  3. Rick1967

    Rick1967 Well-Known Member

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    I agree with c3. Probably would not be too hard to clean it up. You could also use a cold blue to touch it up.
     
  4. Rick1967

    Rick1967 Well-Known Member

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    Not sure what kind of rifle that is from the limited pics. Is that a nylon 66 by any chance? If it is something valuable I would be careful about refinishing it.
     
  5. xcoreyyyx

    xcoreyyyx New Member

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    Yes, its a nylon66. It was absolutely disgusting yesterday. I spent several hours overnight to clean the insides up. Now I just have to do its outside. I have several guns that need blued. I hope I can make a deal with a smith around here to do all of them for me.
     
  6. xcoreyyyx

    xcoreyyyx New Member

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    Thanks. Ill have to pick that up.
     
  7. Rick1967

    Rick1967 Well-Known Member

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    I have done some of mine with Birchwood Casey's Cold Blue. It doesnt make them look new again. But it is a pretty major improvment. Might be something to play around with.
     
  8. xcoreyyyx

    xcoreyyyx New Member

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    I hear that coldbluing isn't as good as hotbluing so I figure I will go and get a quote(after I find a smith around here) and if it is too pricey then I will just cold blue a few of my guns but I will definitely check it out. They sell it on brownells i'm assuming?
     
  9. TheOldMan

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    Yes it's sold by Brownells and also MidwayUSA has it.. Another good cold blue to look at will be Brownells OWN brand Oxpho Blue. Good stuff and leaves a good dark finish. A ball park price for reblueing your firearms is gonna run around $200 per firearm or higher. That's for a hot blue job. Just something to consider..
     
  10. xcoreyyyx

    xcoreyyyx New Member

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    Yeah, well then, I may just have to go with coldbluing. Thanks for the info. I will look into getting some of these from brownells.
     
  11. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    one other thing to try before trying the bluing method is some very fine steel wool and Kano Kroil. i did several of my fathers firearms with it, that had been in his gun safe for over fifteen years and had some rusting to them. they are not perfect, but look way better than before.
     
  12. xcoreyyyx

    xcoreyyyx New Member

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    I am probably going to take the rust off of it all then coldblue it? It sounds like that is a good way of doing things? Well at least taking as much as you can off before coldbluing.
     
  13. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    you seem to misunderstood what i was saying. the steel wool and Kroil will help you keep and preserve the blueing and remove the rust.
     
  14. xcoreyyyx

    xcoreyyyx New Member

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    Oh, no I understood that. I know that there is 1 or 2 that I have that there is no hope of return on that I need to clean the rust off and reblue. On this one and a few others with slight rust I will definitely try what you said. Thanks for the info.
     
  15. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    okay, try the Kano Kroil. worst case is it won't be any worse than it is now, best case, it could clean up and you might decide not to reblue. and the Kroil is an excellent bore cleaner, lubricant and penetrant oil. very multi purpose and has become my favorite product for all m y firearm needs.
     
  16. xcoreyyyx

    xcoreyyyx New Member

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    So personally you use it to clean rust off, oil your gun on a regular basis, and clean up the inside after shooting? Sounds like I do need to pick some of it up. :cool:
     
  17. hiwall

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    It is certainly true that Kroil is the best penetrating oil. A long time ago I bought a gallon can and I'm still using it. I would not use it for a lube though. Many other products are better lubes.
     
  18. xcoreyyyx

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    I got hoppes for the inside of the barrel. I will have to pick up some kroil though. thanks for the info.
     
  19. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    i read that a lot of old benchrest shooters liked it for a bore solvent. as a very light lubricant it's fine as you don't have to remove it to apply a heavier lubricant. i use Lucas synthetic gun oil for a lot of my lube needs.
     
  20. xcoreyyyx

    xcoreyyyx New Member

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    I'll definitely check it out. Thanks again.