is this considered a target or protection 223 round ?

Discussion in 'Ammunition & Reloading' started by PeterSteele, Dec 31, 2012.

  1. PeterSteele

    PeterSteele New Member

    Hi, is this considered a target or more of a protection round : Hornady Varmint Express 223 Rem (#8325) 40gr V-max 3800fps . They cost me $1.10per round so i sure HOPE it's considered a protection round !

    I'm trying to sort and store my various ammo into cans now, classified as target vs. protection. Thanx !
    Last edited: Dec 31, 2012
  2. racer_x

    racer_x New Member

    The name of it kinda gives it away. Varmint hunting round. My mini shots the vmax the best so it doubles as a target from time to time.

  3. treehugger49

    treehugger49 New Member

    No, I would not consider it to be a protection round - except against the four-legged varmint types.

    It is a varmint bullet designed for rapid fragmentation, and Hornady recommends they be used for varmints, predators, and small game.

    I wouldn't want to be shot with one, though!:(
  4. Squawk

    Squawk New Member

    Here's your sign!
  5. ScottA

    ScottA FAA licensed bugsmasher Lifetime Supporter

    I would suspect that just about any round you fire out of a 223 will leave more energy in an attacker than just about anything else you can get your hands on short of a shotgun.
  6. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

    That will work for a wide variety of varmints, regardless of the number of legs they might have. Penetration will be minimal, expansion will be explosive.
  7. bamashooter68

    bamashooter68 Member

    That bullet would be an excellent round for defense. If it hits someone it will dump all its energy into the perp and not go thru and damage something or someone. If you miss its not gonna go thru the wall and hit your neighbor or his house. Vaarmit bullets are great home defense bullets. If I had to use my delton I would be using varmit bullets for self defense. I dont understand why some consider it not a good option. Please enlighten me.
  8. treehugger49

    treehugger49 New Member

    My concern would be the issue of penetration. Self defense rounds are designed to have certain characteristics to give them adequate penetration to "stop the threat", which, although capable of doing plenty of damage, this round lacks in a human sized target. A bullet that fragments going into a prairie dog, for instance, isn't designed to penetrate 12" of human tissue, which is a common standard for a self-defense round.
  9. cottontop

    cottontop Guest

    It is a varmint round. Any round you have in your hand at the time is a protection round. Funny, but in all of my 62 years, I have never needed a firearm for protection. It is talked about on this forum like a firearm is needed for protection by everyone everyday.
  10. Sniper03

    Sniper03 Supporting Member Supporter


    Truly more of a varmint round than protection as the guys have stated! This is not to say it would not get the job done in a home protection situation however. But that round is also extremely light as far as grain weight and has very minimal penetration and especially through heavy or leather clothing. Then there is another issue! What barrel twist does your rifle have? Ideally for this round being as light as it is would give the maximum performance in the 1:12 twist or slower twist ARs. This is not saying it will not shoot in the 1:9 or 1:8 due to the fact every rifle performs differently. But the 1:9 and 1:8 will not produce peak accuracy. A 1:7 twist is on the extreme for this barrel being a much faster twist. On the other hand the opposite applies with the 1:12 twist. They are designed for 55 gr. and under rounds. 69 gr bullets will normally key hole on the target due to lack of stabilization with the 1:12 twist being to slow of twist for the heavier bullet.
    If you need to understand barrel twist and stabilization here is a simple formula you can use to understand the Revolutions per minute and twist produces. The below sample formula represents a 1:12 twist barrel using a round at 3000feet per second
    I know the 223/5.56 rounds normally are always faster (fps) but will use 3000 fps for simplicity.

    Feet per second X Inches Divided by Barrel Twist X Minutes = Revolution per Minute
    3000 fps X *12 = 36000 Divided by 12 = 3000 X *60 = Answer: 180,000 rpm (leaving the muzzle)

    Notice that Inches and Minutes are marked with an * that is because they are always used in the formula. The Velocity and Barrel Twist would be change.
    For fun to change the formula above you just need to change the Barrel Twist using 12-9-8 or 7. This will show you the difference of twist speed required to stabilize a heavier bullet. The heavier the bullet theoretically the faster the barrel twist is required. Maybe this will help you also understand in the future when selecting the correct ammunition. In your case the V represents varmint bullet. Good luck and happy shooting.

    Last edited: Jan 1, 2013
  11. ScottA

    ScottA FAA licensed bugsmasher Lifetime Supporter

    Only 1 in 50,000 will need it. But there's that pesky problem of not knowing who that 1 will be.
  12. cottontop

    cottontop Guest

    OH, ok, I get it.:rolleyes:
  13. Bigcat

    Bigcat Well-Known Member

    Its a better self defense round than the much hyped M855 which tends to over penetrate.

    The M855 was designed to cycle the M249 SAW and to penetrate WARPAC light armor and helmets at 1000 meters.

    In return it leaves a lot of other things on the table.

    Dont get me wrong M855 is not a bad round and I stock some of it myself, but that fast varmit round will serve you quite well for protection.
    Any Hornady round is consoidered a premium round and one measure of how well you did could be , how much did it go up in the current bubble?

    The answer for your ammo is only slightly, whereas lake city XM855 went up by a factor of 2.5
    So that hornady IMO that hornady is a better deal at 1.15/rd than the XM855 is at $1/rd ( it used ot be available in summer at 40 cents a round all day long).
    Last edited: Jan 1, 2013
  14. JTJ

    JTJ Well-Known Member Supporter

    I must have a target on me.
    1 burglary.
    1 stolen car.
    4 assaults.
    1 attempted car jacking.
    All in decent areas and minding my own business.
  15. Wiseman3

    Wiseman3 Active Member

    I guess we know the 1 now