Is this a SHTF situation

Discussion in 'Survival & Sustenance Living Forum' started by Trooper7687, Jan 5, 2011.

  1. Trooper7687

    Trooper7687 New Member

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    Mains water has been off in the city for 24 days now, water is being escorted to distribution centres by the police, water has been rationed to 8 litres per household per day, local government is responsible for the distribution. Reports are now coming out that political activists for one of the parties has been removing water from the centres to ensure that their supporters have sufficent supply. Central government has turned a blind eye and the police have only hinted about a possible investigation in the future.
    This is not hypothetical this is happening in a city in the UK right now, the city is Belfast, the political party is Sinn Fein ( you may remember them as the political wing for a certain terrorist organisation), central government doesn't want to rock the boat and put a joke of a peace agreement in jeopardy.
    This is what happens to an population where gun ownership is at an all time low, where politicians think that the people are there to provide them with status, rather than to provide the people with a voice, and where peace must be preserved at all costs even if that cost is the people it was ment to benefit.
     
  2. dog2000tj

    dog2000tj New Member

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    It is terribly sad that most of the world has little to no idea what is actually going on in northern Ireland. I remember when I visited in 87', it seemed like we entered a military base. I remember some British troops stopping me and harassing me for running down the street with some friends. :mad:

    I don't think either side has the peoples interest at heart. :( Keep your chin up and I wish you the best of luck.
     

  3. willfully armed

    willfully armed New Member

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    Thats horrible. Precursor to civil war?
     
  4. Trooper7687

    Trooper7687 New Member

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    Combat indicators

    Back in 87, you have to think of the context dog, running kids could be seen as a combat indicator that bad things are about to happen, ESP near a military patrol, at that stage it was still a moderate intensity conflict, I think the terminology was police support operation. If you get a chance ask a few of the guys that were in Najaf in 04/05 during the uprising and they will tell you about how you get real nervious when people start running in the street.
     
  5. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member

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    I know a young Irish lady from another forum. She and her family moved to Spain to get out of Ireland about 10 years ago.
     
  6. JTJ

    JTJ Well-Known Member Supporter

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    It is a civil war that is in truce. I am trying not to take sides in this post but Sinn Fein were not the only terrorists. Take an honest unbiased look at Irelands history and you might get an idea of why there is all the anemosity. I am not Engilsh or Irish so I have no stake in your problems but it is akin to the tribulations of the Indians in this country.
     
  7. Trooper7687

    Trooper7687 New Member

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    Terrorist question

    Sinn Fein were not terrorists, they just spoke for them, to look into the far mists of time over who started what would be futile. What the people were promised in the peace treaty was that political parties would nolonger use armed stuggle to further their cause. This hasn't happened, the military presence has been scaled back, the police service has been reduced to a political puppet force that is ineffective. Over Christmas there was still 3 grenade attacks and 4 gun attacks on the homes of ex servicemen and more than 50 this month have been intimidated from their homes. It is not the fear of what they may encounter themselves, but what will happen when a terrorist comes to their home and attacks their family, terrorists and bullets don't differentiate, the reason republican terrorists were highlighted was that they have been responsible for the latest upsurge, just as they were getting into trouble in the polls. The last party to operate this way was the Nazi party, create the problem then tell the people you are the solution to the problem.
     
  8. 7point62

    7point62 Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Troop, sounds like the local govt has it's head up its ass. When water's being rationed, they can't fix a water main in 24 days and dudes are stealing it? If it isn't SHTF yet it will be. Time to bring in the Army?
     
  9. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    Please keep us in the loop Trooper.
     
  10. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    It has been said- Water, air, and sex- the three things don't matter- unless you are not getting any.

    Part of the reason I live out in the country- We do not have to rely on anyone else for heat, water, power, or food- and it is amazing how much your neighbors improve when they are at least 600 yards away. We get very little harassment from anyone (other than the infrequent missionary) Too many people here own heavy equipment that can dig a deep hole with very little effort. Street thugs that are proud of their cheap .380 or 9mm do not care to cross paths with the guy with a 30-06 and a 12 g in the rack behind him in the pickup.
     
  11. DrumJunkie

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    Wow man that's really messed up! Please do keep us posted as best you can. I'm sure the main stream media wont have much if anything about this escalating.:(
    I do hope this gets resolved but history does not make things look too promising.
     
  12. bkt

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    It isn't a SHTF situation yet, but it might become one. Right now, it's a localized problem, and it's a prime example of why prepping at home can be extremely important. Hopefully, you have a good store of water (put away before this problem surfaced) and/or you have a good-quality water purification system. If you do, keep quiet about it!

    That this has been going on so long is extremely disturbing. Repairing pipes that burst with the last freeze might take a while, but there's no reason you shouldn't have plenty of water -- there has been more than enough time for the authorities to get their collective act together to ensure bottled water is available on a very wide scale.

    As for the bastards taking water for their folks to the detriment of everyone else, they need to be dealt with...preferably by the police. You can expect some sort of looting in a situation like this, but if the police or government give tacit approval by doing nothing to stop it, then you have a much bigger problem.

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    Update: after pondering this for another minute, it seems pretty clear you do indeed have a much bigger problem. If looting is permitted by the authorities who are intimidated by the looters (or more accurately, who are concerned an unstoppable sh!tstorm could be unleashed if they don't turn a blind eye to the looting), then your government is broken. When the rule of law is tossed out the window, people should be very concerned.

    But this is still a very interesting event from a prepper's perspective. Be safe, and may pure water flow freely again soon.
     
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  13. Trooper7687

    Trooper7687 New Member

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    water

    The Red cross is starting to distibute water in the main urban area, this is the one time were the wife hasn't moaned about the prepstore of ready use equipment that I have been accumulating
     
  14. IGETEVEN

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    Indeed to both, no truer words spoken sir! :cool:

    Trooper what's the weather like there now? Snow or rain? After going back and re-reading your post, it may be time to start thinking about constructing and starting your own survival water collection points, and possible setting up a ghost perimeter, here in the near future in your AO, if you have not already started. You did state you were somewhat prepared. I do wish you the best of luck and hope this does not escalate to a non-containment situation. Do keep this channel open for any further updates of increased unstable situations there, brother.
     
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  15. Gatekeeper

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    Best wishes to you and your's Trooper, during these tough times.

    I hope someday soon the two sides can strike a real peace agreement for the benefit of both, and the innocents caught in the middle
     
  16. 7point62

    7point62 Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    I give it another 30 years until people start killing each other over drinking water and living space. Just sayin...
     
  17. spittinfire

    spittinfire New Member Supporter

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    People have been killing others over sex for centuries.
     
  18. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    Even here in moist Mississippi, an emergency drinking water stash can be very important. Since hurricane Katrina, most people seem to have at least a case of bottled water or a 5 gallon container similar to what is used in the office water cooler. I make sure to keep some basic water treatment tablets around the house.


    I hope there can be a lasting peace on your island someday soon.
     
  19. jgand72

    jgand72 New Member

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    Good luck to you and your family trooper. That's some scary stuff. Deffinitely gonna put some time into stocking emergency supplies.
     
  20. Trooper7687

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    Great news

    Our lords & masters have decided that water will be returned for 2 hours each day, on a rotating basis thoughout the different areas of the city, in order to do this it will be nesasary to withdraw mains supply for some rural areas. More and more I have the feeling that this is being used as a training exercise to see how the civil population reacts to to the suspension of services. But it would seem they have been unprepared for the outbreak of H1N1 virus that has now happened, 42 deaths & over 1000 cases reported.