Is the NRA our friend?

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by NGIB, Apr 30, 2010.

  1. NGIB

    NGIB New Member

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    Last night, the GA legislature managed to pass 2 bills that will improve and clarify the laws for weapons carry in the Peach State. I belong to a statewide gun rights group and we had folks at the State Capitol through the wee hours of the morning to help guide these bills through.

    Anyway, there is disturbing news coming out that the NRA was actively involved in trying to derail one of these bills last night. The facts are coming out and our folks on scene heard the NRA rep actually bad mouthing the bill to the press. They have done it before and the technique generally involves inserting lots of new language into a bill (via amendment) which forces it to go through the house & senate again. As last night was the end of the legislative session - there was no tomorrow.

    Our state group membership (me included) has been hammering the NRA via email and phone calls all day. They deny they were trying to derail the bill and are stating they were supportive. We are also looking for any written and recorded proof of these behind the scenes efforts and I'm sure we'll find them. Two state senators went on record that they "knew" the NRA did not support the bill. The NRA has already called both these folks "in error" for their statements.

    I canceled my NRA membership today and will never give them another penny of cash or kind word. I'll keep y'all posted as we try to get more detailed info on the "snakes"...
     
  2. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    NGIB - I am happy the bills went through with the hard work of you good folks.

    Personally I have had a problem with the NRA for about the last 8 to 10 years and cancelled my membership back when some news came out that was similiar to this from a good friend who was just outside ground zero.

    The NRA as an advocate, is probably necessary as they know where all the snake holes are. If they suddenly went away, it would be much easier for the Anti's to run roughshod over our Rights.

    The problem I feel, quite frankly, they have a vested interest in remaining the "voice" of the Pro-Gunners. Let's face it, the NRA brings in a TON of cash and they have a TON of power. That is not something that someone is just going to "give up" because they finally solved the problem.

    I feel that the NRA is doing "enough" to remain at the forefront of the fight, without actually engaging. They are doing enough to remain relevant in the eyes of the people who are not uber informed.

    I feel they fall into the Necessary Evil category.

    JD
     

  3. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    I belong to the NRA, GOA and Gun Owners of California. I'm also a member of the Calguns Foundation which fights for gun rights in California.

    I am not pleased with the NRA and haven't been for some time. Unfortunately, they're still the 1,000 lb. gorilla in the room and a powerful voice. That's the only reason that I haven't resigned yet. But, they seem to act more and more like politicians rather than advocates.

    This is not good. Please keep us updated.
     
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  4. NGIB

    NGIB New Member

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    So far, from the posts on our local forum, over 100 folks have called & emailed the NRA-ILA expressing their outrage and canceling their memberships. The NRA-ILA is doing some serious back-stepping and trying to convince folks they were actively supporting these bills. About a dozen of the state senators & representatives pushing for these important changes are also members of our state organization and we expect more details from them in the coming days.

    Yes, they are an 800 lb gorilla, but they are also "politicians"...
     
  5. IGETEVEN

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    My view is and has been for a while, they are not doing enough, they seem to be keeping their nose right above the tormented waters.

    For the power and influence of such a largely supported, recognized, and respected pro firearms and 2A advocates organization, they sure as hell could do more, much more, especially acting as politicians! :mad:

    Jack
     
  6. NGIB

    NGIB New Member

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    A Kaelen Jones from the NRA-ILA has been sending out emails to mad members trying to convince them that "we" are wrong. Upon repeated hammering, she has been asking what are the credible sources that we used to state the NRA was trying to derail the bill. Here's a quote from one of the board members of our state group (who is a prominent lawyer in the Atlanta area) that was at the state capitol all day yesterday and into the wee hours of today:

    Our group knew that there were specific issues that would draw a veto from the Governor - and airport carry was one of them...
     
  7. Charliemike

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    For what it is worth I know a few people that actually work at the HQ for the NRA. I have addressed the disconnect that often seems to stem from the nuts that are the policy types there. They infact piss off the true second amendment folks there as well. Even some of the board members I spoke to are not happy with some of the dealings but the NRA board is about powerless to Wayne. If he would go away things could change. Until that happens do not expect much. I am a Life member and will stay one till Wayne leaves and Ted takes over.
     
  8. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    There it is... Uncle Ted running the NRA. No holds barred!
     
  9. russ

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    I could be wrong here (it wouldn't be the first time), but it would seem to me that if it was no secret that airport carry would be an automatic veto, and the NRA rep was pushing for airport carry, that in fact the rep wanted the bill vetoed so it could be held up for everyone to see that yet another pro-gun bill was shot down by the politicians. It would be one more point for the NRA to use to stir the pot and make more people mad thereby getting more money sent to the NRA to "defend" our 2A rights. That says to me that the progress you made with those bills was less important to the NRA than the publicity that they could stir up making a big deal out of the bill's veto.

    I too have been disappointed by some of the actions of the NRA as of late and think there is more political grandstanding than actual support of our rights.
     
  10. Charliemike

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    My Biggest problem with the NRA is Compromise. I do not believe that when you are right and have the power you should give into your enemies. The Anti's will never stop. They will take what they can get until there is nothing left to take. To give them any ground ever is Wrong. If Wayne was the coach of a football team he would declare victory because he did not lose ground on a play. ignoring that he never scored! Ignoring the fact that the anti's are already on the board.
     
  11. Dgunsmith

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    On behalf of the Brady Organization, Bill & Hillary Clinton, Roseann Barr, Janet Reno, Nancy Pelosi , Tom Mauser and N.A.T.O. ......

    Thanks for canceling your NRA membership !

    They are FAR TOO POWERFUL to be tolerated at any level !

    When their influence on a national level exceeded that of the A.A.R.P.
    as a single issue organization....we were very upset ! They MUST be stopped ......and silenced !

    Please re-register and vote as a Democrat, send your donations for Hope and Change to the Obama Campaign or the Union of your choice.

    Together we can disarm America under the authority of the United Nations to make the People of the World SAFER by eliminating private possession of firearms, which is an unsafe, evil practice !

    Then again...just drink the mainstream media KOOL AID and take your meds and keep smoking your medical marijuana.....and you won't even notice...until we knock on your door to TAKE your guns.....to make your neighborhood safer !

    OR..................rejoin the MOST POWERFUL CIVIL RIGHTS ORGANIZATION in the USA.....get involved...and continue to empower the NRA to do what it DOES BEST....Protect your 2nd. Ammendment Rights !
     
  12. NGIB

    NGIB New Member

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    Dude, wake up.

    What the NRA does best is solicit donations. They do not like or support REAL 2A organizations as it usurps their power to collect money. They have done some good but they are not the be all end all of organizations. The 2nd Amendment Foundation and others do a lot more than just collect money...
     
  13. cpttango30

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    I started having a problem when the VT shootings happened. They were close as I live in VA. The one Gun rights org out there saying wait one dam minute. Lets look at the details before we go jumping on any band wagon was Virginia Citizens Defense league (VCDL). They stood right there and said VT had a hand in it because they do not allow Current CCW holders to carry on campus and when the college and professors had issues with the kids that did the shooting nothing happened. The Federal govt passed laws that you have to have a background check and the kids did he passed them all to purchas the firearm used in the shooting. VT also has "GUN FREE ZONE" signs all over the place yet they allowed this student to have a gun on campus.

    So the blame is not on the owner of the store that sold the kid gun it is not on ebay that handled the transaction of some of the stuff he used. It is the kids fault that he went down that road.

    The NRA was no where to be found.

    I live just south of the NRA HQ. Look at some of the cars these people drive. When I was there there was not a car under $80,000 sitting in the executive parking lot.

    I have been for the last few years thinking of dropping the NRA and going to the GOA and VCDL as my 2a groups. They do more and with less money than the NRA does.

    I think the NRA should put together a team of counselors and therapists with a nice Lear jet then if a shooting like columbine or VT happens they can be there to help the survivors in the healing process. I believe the NRA should be doing more out side of DC to help the 2a movement like helping support the state gun rights orgs. That would do more than wearing $5k suits and drinking 100 year old sing malt with the scum of DC.

    I don't care who you back but I think you should back a national and a state 2aq group.
     
  14. spittinfire

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    I am currently an NRA memeber but I have been looking into other options. While I think the NRA plays an important role as the huge power they are, I too believe they are acting politically to maintian their jobs and to continue to collect donatations. I've never paid more in then was required to be a memeber but it never fails that every month I get fliers asking me to renew my membership or donate. They spend more in 2 months on me then I donate for a year and that is simply poor stewardship of mine & other's money.
    They may be the biggest voice for the 2A but that doesn't make them the best.
     
  15. user4

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    Just a small reply... The constitution says that the right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed. Restrictions, requirements, and registration are all infringements. I do not believe that even felons should be barred gun possession as long as their crimes were not not weapon related. Same with Misdemeanor Domestic Violence convictions. Why are we not fighting harder for these rights?
     
  16. hnealg

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    Better than nothing

    I was appalled at the NRA's actions concerning the passage of Georgia's SB 308. Thankfully, we got something through in spite of them. Their opposition (whether real or alleged) is unworthy of anyone who proclaims to be for the 2nd Amendment.

    However, let's not get into circling our wagons and shooting inwards. The NRA may not be 100% "in step" with most of us, but at least they aren't "anti"'s They really are more on our side. It's just that they have gotten so fat and happy sucking at the tit of political power that they keep tripping over their overhanging, virtual gut.

    We should put pressure on them to recognize their responsibilities to the people (and not the politicians) that they arose from--the citizens of the United States (and not the government!)
     
  17. pandamonium

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    It seems to me that the NRA has gotten too big for thier britches, I think when an organization gets that big they get lost in thier own beurocracy, they definitly need to be reminded that ANY battle lost is another wedge for the anti's. They undoubtedly have the most pull in DC and with the big dollars they get from memberships and donations there shouldn't be a state in the union that,at least doesn't have SHALL ISSUE laws. They are failing, IMO, if all law abiding citizens do not have the right to keep and bear arms.
    As another member here has for a sig line, What part of shall not be infringed do they not understand?
     
  18. Gojubrian

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    After reading things like this and others on forums about what the NRA has been up to, I decided NOT to renew my membership this year.

    I believe they want to keep the pot stirred for their own benefit. They want certain anti-gun legislation passed to try and boost membership and raise funds. They are just enough for us, but not really JUST for us.
     
  19. pandamonium

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    As much as the NRA has turned into a business, I don't think we should abandon them completely, maybe just a wake up call. Because they ARE still the largest and have the most influence, I feel things would be worse off without them .
    Mayhap if we send them a$$-loads of e-mails telling them how we feel about the direction they are heading we could(possibly), guide them back on the right path.
    Gun owners of America here I come, maybe tthis group will gain enough supporters to take over the torch as the premiere 2A activists. Only time will tell.
     
  20. hnealg

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    common sense

    I e-mailed the NRA-ILA and let them know my opinion. And as I told them, I did consider canceling my membership, but since they are mostly on our side, I will continue my membership but suspend any donations to the ILA until they can get their heads on straight (as well as locate that head...).

    The key thought is that we still face an enemy with a world of momentum and the NRA is on our side--mostly. (It's sort of like WWII when we allied ourselves with the USSR against a common enemy)