Is printing that big a deal in open carry states

Discussion in 'Concealed Carrying & Personal Protection' started by Bear304inc, Mar 14, 2012.

  1. Bear304inc

    Bear304inc New Member

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    I often wondered if printing is a big deal in open carry states? Seems that if you bent over and exposed your weapon, why is it different than just tucking your shirt in and in effect going from concealed to open, depending on your shirt being tucked or not. So is printing such a faux pae? I actually asked my ccw instructor and just couldn't get a straight answer, he barely covered printing at all....... any thoughts?
     
  2. ThinkFastHolsters

    ThinkFastHolsters New Member

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    From my understanding it all comes down to the laws in your area. In my opinion, if you're printing you may want in rethink your concealment garment or carry method. The way I see it is if you are printing then you are obviously trying to conceal your firearm and of a part of the gun shows it could be seen as "brandishing" to the uneducated. It seems to be a grey area for many, including myself as I can't find anything in regards to it specifically. I just play it safe. If I'm carrying concealed then I make darn sure it's concealed.
     

  3. partdeux

    partdeux Well-Known Member

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    In MI, it's no big deal. In fact, most of the time I carry on an external holster with a shirt pulled over it. Very few people ever notice.
     
  4. blucoondawg

    blucoondawg New Member

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    I'm not sure what the actual law in that regard is here in WI, I would think it shouldn't matter since open carry is legal, but a friend of mine who took a CC class said the instructor said that you either have to open carry or conceal carry no in between, so if I wore a exposed holster with a long winter coat overhanging it and the end of the gun was exposed beneath the coat that is apparently illegal as per that instructor, I really don't see what the big deal is I think those sorts of rules only further the mindset of the ignorant handgun fearing people, "oh my god that man over there has a gun!"
     
  5. Retaks

    Retaks New Member

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    From what ive been told here in PA open carry is 100% legal UNTIL you get your CCW permit. At that point you can no longer open carry. I really havnt researched this due to me not living in a great neighborhood so i really dont want neone to know im carrying anything.
     
  6. knfxda

    knfxda New Member

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    Part of your gun showing is not "brandishing".

    Brandishing:
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    1. To wave or flourish (a weapon, for example) menacingly.
    2. To display ostentatiously.
    n.
    A menacing or defiant wave or flourish.

    So, your gun creaping out is not "brandishing". That doesn't mean that it's not illegal in your state. But brandishing is a deliberate, threatening or overt display of the gun.
     
  7. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member

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    This is what I heard, too, from others who carry.
     
  8. blucoondawg

    blucoondawg New Member

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    I agree, but when you live in a state like WI which just barely got CC by the skin of their teeth and you have cities like Milwaukee allowing police to harass law abiding citizens who are exercising their right to carry and refusing to return confiscated firearms to their owners after the DA refused to file charges and cities like Appleton pushing every business in town to post no guns allowed signs to essentially turn the city into a gun free zone, you never know when you will run into an anti CC DA who will push that definition of brandishing.
     
  9. knfxda

    knfxda New Member

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    Oh and you should really check your local laws:

    Here is Florida's:

    "Careless" is the only thing that worries me. But if you had a IWB holster and it happened to print or show the grip, I'd have a tough time thinking that you'd fall into the careless category. By virtue of the fact that you were trying to conceal is proof that you are not being careless.

    I think there was proposed legislation to explicitly omit printing and accidental display of the weapon or part of the weapon, but I'm not sure where that went. I could also be misremembering.
     
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  10. ThinkFastHolsters

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    That's why I say "it may be seen as brandishing to the uneducated". The reason I mentioned that Is because I buddy of mine used to open carry with a IWB holster so it looked like he had it tucked in his jeans. We were approached by an officer stating he got a call about a person "brandishing" a gun (apperantly the words of the person who called in). some people scare easily so the mere sight of a gun makes them feel threatened and they call it in out of fear. We weren't detained and the officer realized my friend was well within his rights and we parted ways. That scenario is the reason I choose not to open carry. You can't control the ignorance of the general public is all I'm saying
     
  11. Oblivion9

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    To me printing is having the shape of gun showing. Someone seeing the gun is something else.

    In NC printing and even a peek is OK unless you cause someone to become scared and the they call it terrorizing the public.

    It then comes down to the mood if the cops.
     
  12. knfxda

    knfxda New Member

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    Sorry absolutely horrible reading comprehension on my part! I read right over "to the uneducated". :rolleyes:
     
  13. dragunovsks

    dragunovsks New Member

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    +1 in indiana too, this is an open carry state as well. I carry my full size 1911 in a blackhawk serpa paddle and usually just pull my untucked tshirt over it and go on. In six years of carrying its only been spotted twice, once by a walmart employee who is a high school buddy and also carries. The other time i was in bass pro looking at pistols and a woman next to me noticed it and asked what kind of pistol i was packin, her and hubby were looking at handguns for home defense.

    I dont really worry about printing anyways because the gun laws here are pretty lax.
     
  14. gr8wapiti

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    By God I'm so glad I live in Colorado!! Here it is 100% legal to carry in the open or with a CCW, minus of course Federal buildings and schools. We just has a court case where the state supreme court ruled in favor of allowing CCW's to students going to CU. The libs in Boulder absolutely died on that one, everyone else cheered!! The only time there is a problem here is with police officers who don't know or aren't clear on the laws, those problems get cleared up quickly when their supervisors are involved.
     
  15. fupuk

    fupuk New Member

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    Im still waiting for my Cpl in Michigan but i open carry my Gp100 and thats my only carry gun at the moment. But its not a problem from what i heard in my Cpl class. I guess only time will tell.
     

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  16. partdeux

    partdeux Well-Known Member

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    If you're OC, you're probably well aware of state police update 86...

    Brandishing - as defined by a former MI Attorney General
    the term brandishing is defined as: "1. To wave or flourish menacingly, as a weapon. 2. To display ostentatiously. –n. A menacing or defiant wave or flourish." This definition comports with the meaning ascribed to this term by courts of other jurisdictions. For example, in United States v Moerman, 233 F3d 379, 380 (CA 6, 2000), the court recognized that in federal sentencing guidelines, "brandishing" a weapon is defined to mean "that the weapon was pointed or waved about, or displayed in a threatening manner."
    http://www.ag.state.mi.us/opinion/datafiles/2000s/op10176.htm
     
  17. Ledbetter84

    Ledbetter84 New Member

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    It is in Utah. Concealed is concealed..open is open
     
  18. fupuk

    fupuk New Member

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    I know the laws pretty good. Been doing alot of reading online about Michigan gun laws the past five months or so. But no real world experiance with carrying concealed and someone seeing it. So i dont know exactly whats gonna happen when it does.
     
  19. I'm told that in Georgia it's quite legal to walk or ride a bike UNTIL you get your driving license. At that point you can no longer walk, run, hop, skip, roller skate, or bicycle. From that point on, even going to the end of the driveway to check the mail must be done from your car.

    Now... how much sense does That make?
    (Not picking on ya, just that I've heard the same thing before and no one ever seems to be able to post a statute saying so.) :)
     
  20. Georgiahunter

    Georgiahunter New Member

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    Seems to be a lot of people who like to ride their bikes after they get a drivers license.:mad: