Is my gun purchase on a list?

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by 3thumbs, Sep 7, 2011.

  1. 3thumbs

    3thumbs New Member

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    I have asked this question in several places, and never get the same answer. When I made a purchase at a local retailer, I was told that there is no such thing as "gun registration," that the purchase information stays with the retailer.
    However, if Hillary and her thugs take all retailer's files, then I'd say my gun IS registered.
     
  2. Jpyle

    Jpyle New Member

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    All firearm transfers through a federally licensed dealer (FFL) require a NICS background check and the completion of a Form 4473. The FFL is required to record the transfer in his bound volume and retain the 4473 for a period of time. States may also require a permit for purchasing a handgun and some towns may keep those on file. So you are partly correct that a paper trail does exist that would enable law enforcement to trace a gun back to you. However, private sales, if permitted in your state, do not require specific BATFE paperwork or NICS. So there really is no "list" that can be accessed nor is there a federal requirement that you register any gun, Class III NFA excluded.
     

  3. canebrake

    canebrake New Member

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    If you purchased a gun you're on "the" list. Anyone telling you different is lying or doesn't have a clue how our gub-mint works.

    And when you posted on this forum you are on it twice! :p
     
  4. partdeux

    partdeux Well-Known Member

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    Does premium membership include that special anti govt foil hat?
     
  5. canebrake

    canebrake New Member

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    It's one of many benefits of being a supporting.gif .
     
  6. neilage66

    neilage66 New Member

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    We're all on *a list* and *the list* just not necessarily the *A-list*...you know, being as we are all enemies of the state and such. ;)

    Embedded microchips at birth to follow later this century.

    Keep your powder dry.
     
  7. Rarity

    Rarity New Member

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    Oh we're on a list alright!
     
  8. trip286

    trip286 New Member

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    I also make anti gubmin remarks and talk about how we need a new revolution on facebook... I'm waiting for the kick to the door in the middle of the night. I also study some of the tactics that are being used overseas against our guys. (for purely academic purposes of course) I think my name may be on the list 3-4 times.
     
  9. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    The details of the purchase are recorded on the form 4473. The 4473 is kept in the store for (I believe) 20 years or until the dealer goes out of business. Out of business records are sent to ATF who keeps them pretty much forever. They are forbidden from computerizing these records. They were doing exactly that some years ago until Congress found out and ordered the records purged. Presumably they complied.

    They can search the paper records for a "trace request". I have had this done a few times to find the rightful owner of a gun recovered from a nare do well. I have found several people and returned their guns even though they were not listed as stolen because the serial number was not available and the reporting agency did not care to do the leg work necessary to find the information.
     
  10. canebrake

    canebrake New Member

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    I heard the new "Black Helicopters" have the latest stealth props.

    They got it from the Chi-Coms!
     

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  11. Rarity

    Rarity New Member

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    Oh silly silly

    Zoey,
     
  12. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    If it really bothers you, buy from individuals (legally). I have a few firearms that i have been gifted by family or bought from individuals. If it seems shady, pass or have the serial number run by the local police.
     
  13. opaww

    opaww New Member

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    Everyone is on some list or other, If you buy some firearm through a legal dealer then I would bet that some place there is a list. It may not be a legal list but sense when has any anti-gun/anti rights terror-ist evet cared about the law.
     
  14. trip286

    trip286 New Member

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    Canebrake don't scare me like that, I have a funny looking helicopter shaped shadow passing over my window, and everytime I look it turns out to be a potted plant. My wife is getting aggravated at the paranoia.
     
  15. therewolf

    therewolf New Member

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    "On a list, on a list!"

    Ooooohh!

    Most people compile a list, then it sits in a

    filing cabinet and never gets used.

    What, exactly, is the function of this

    long, and rather useless, list??

    ie, what are they doing with it, besides wasting

    work time compiling it, and then storing it?

    How will they keep it accurate and up-to-date?
     
  16. vincev

    vincev New Member

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    If you purchased a gun you're on "the" list. Anyone telling you different is lying or

    There is no "list".A dealer has to keep his 4473's for 20 years.when you do a NICS call in you are only supplying info as to if the firearm is a handgun,long gun or other.After 24 hrs the nics info is deleted.Many think that owning a firearm makes them a "dark shadowy character" but most firearm owners are not nearly "bad" enough to set off any alarms.Law enforcement knows what dealer receives a firearm from the serial number.I have had to supply a copy of a 4473 to law enforcement to start a trail to finding out who has possession of a firearm but no "list".
     
  17. Gatoragn

    Gatoragn Active Member

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    I had to show proof that I had a foil hat just to join and make my first post.