Is gun control racist?

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by locutus, Jul 28, 2012.

  1. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    More than 80 percent of violent crimes in this countery are commited by two minority groups that comprise less than 25 percent of the population.

    Are gun control laws designed to protect minority criminals from their intended victims?

    What do you think? Is support for gun control a form of racism?:confused::confused:
     
  2. Overkill0084

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    I guess it depends on who is defining "racist."
    Would defending oneself against a criminal who is a minority be considered racist. If you're part of Rev Sharpton's entourage, that would make perfect sense, if there is money to made.
    My opinion? Hollow points are colorblind.
     

  3. Jpyle

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    Actually yes. The origianl gun control laws originated in the South following the Civil War and were intended to keep guns out of the hands of the freed slaves.
     
  4. c3shooter

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    At various times, the "wrong hands" have been non-noblemen, Indians, Blacks, Irish, etc etc etc. In the South prior to the Civil War, it was a serious crime to permit a black man to be armed.

    So from a historical perspective, yes, they were racist in nature.
     
  5. trip286

    trip286 New Member

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    Yes, this is true. I think the OP Is questioning whether gun control nowadays is racist against NON minorities. It feels that way for sure. It seems that non minorities are the ones restricted, since minority criminals don't go through the same channels to get guns as non minority, and minority LAC's do. When you add this to the fact that an overwhelming percentage of violent crime is committed BY minorities (with a huge number having criminal past records), against non minorities (who have to jump through legal hoops to lawfully defend themselves), then yes, gun laws are extremely racist.
     
  6. canebrake

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    Not to the BAD GUYS. Law doesn't carry weight to them, only Superior Force.

    I relinquish my time to the Honorable Gentleman from Arizona;

    "Weapons compound man's power to achieve; they amplify the capabilities of both the good man and the bad, and to exactly the same degree, having no will of their own. Thus we must regard them as servants, not masters - and good servants to good men. Without them, man is diminished, and his opportunities to fulfill his destiny are lessened. An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it."
    — Col. Jeff Cooper

    “One bleeding-heart type asked me in a recent interview if I did not agree that ‘violence begets violence.’ I told him that it is my earnest endeavor to see that it does. I would like very much to ensure—and in some cases I have—that any man who offers violence to his fellow citizen begets a whole lot more in return than he can enjoy.”
    – Cooper vs. Terrorism

    We continue to be exasperated by the view, apparently gaining momentum in certain circles, that armed robbery is okay as long as nobody gets hurt! The proper solution to armed robbery is a dead robber, on the scene.
    Jeff Cooper

    “The media insist that crime is the major concern of the American public today. In this connection they generally push the point that a disarmed society would be a crime-free society. They will not accept the truth that if you take all the guns off the street you still will have a crime problem, whereas if you take the criminals off the street you cannot have a gun problem.”

    “One bleeding-heart type asked me in a recent interview if I did not agree that ‘violence begets violence.’ I told him that it is my earnest endeavor to see that it does. I would like very much to ensure—and in some cases I have—that any man who offers violence to his fellow citizen begets a whole lot more in return than he can enjoy.”
    – Cooper vs. Terrorism

    “One cannot legislate the maniacs off the street… these maniacs can only be shut down by an armed citizenry. Indeed bad things can happen in nations where the citizenry is armed, but not as bad as those which seem to be threatening our disarmed citizenry in this country at this time.”
     
  7. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    It just seems to me that we have three groups in this country.

    One minority group can do no wrong, even if they commit murder.
    (The only exception is being a conservative)

    The second can do no wrong unless they come into conflict with the first.

    Then there is the majority. Whites, conservative members of the first group and legal immigrants who are automatically wrong if they come in to conflict with either the first or second group.

    I am choosing my words carefully, hoping to avoid offending anyone, but I hope my points are clear.
     
  8. bkt

    bkt New Member

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    Those are just rules laid down by idiots who care about political correctness. No thinking person objects to discussing or arguing based on facts.

    As for your question - is gun control racist - on the face, it is not. It does not apply only to one race and not to another. But under the surface, the end result might seem to indicate it is. The majority of folks of African descent live in urban centers. Those are the areas most likely to have strict gun control and they are the areas that see the most violent crime. Most violent crimes are perpetrated by black folks on black folks. So is deliberately preventing good, decent black folks the means to defend themselves in their best interests, or is it a method legislators use to reduce the population of African Americans?

    (Tangential note: one might ask the same question of abortion, given the disproportionate rate of child murders by black moms.)

    Your question is precisely the sort of question that should be asked by a liberty-loving American running for office because there is no way to defend the argument for gun control and not appear racist, using the rules of engagement idiots who embrace political correctness routinely use. Unfortunately, the handlers of those running for office would never permit such a question to be asked, and no candidate with the balls to force the issue would be allowed to rise to be a real contender in a high-stakes campaign.
     
  9. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    gun control i believe was used as a form a racism to exclude certain groups of people from owning firearms, as they might become empowered and rise up from tyranny and oppression. the voice you use carries more authority when you are armed, as you will be ignored when unarmed. pretty much what Teddy Roosevelt said, " talk softly and carry a big stick, you will go far"

    Hitler himself used gun control to disarm the the Jewish population before WW2. they were hearded like lambs to the slaughter because they had no means to defend themselves. it is easy to conquer another group of people when one is armed and the other isn't.
     
  10. KeysKelly

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    Nothing racist about gun control if it means keeping guns out of the hands of criminals. "Criminal" is not a protected class. I don't want a black criminal, a Mexican criminal, an Asian criminal, a white criminal, a male criminal, a female criminal, a poor criminal, a rich criminal, a Jewish criminal, an Irish criminal, an Italian criminal or a Greek criminal to have a gun and if somehow an ant committed a felony I don't want that ant carrying a gun.

    When it comes to gun control I will be the first to admit I'm very prejudice. I don't like criminals at all.

    Now if you have a law abiding citizen from every race and social class named above I have no problem with them legally owning a gun.
     
  11. drvsafe

    drvsafe New Member

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    From what I've seen gun control is completely ineffective on criminals. They always seem to get their hands on guns in the end.
     
  12. partdeux

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    Historical gun control has always be racist based... however, today, it's about control.
     
  13. Badshot320

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    I think some of the questions you are asked when purchasing a firearm do come off as racist! WTF does it matter and why do they even ask? I consider the people that own firearms legally and can purchase them part of a seperate group reguardless of their race or color. If you can legally buy a gun you`re a good guy and if you cant you`re prolly not( I know there are exceptions and good people make bad decsions that have long term negative effects).

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  14. JonM

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    the stated goal by the founder of planned parenthood that the liberals love was to abort as many black babies as possible in hopes of eliminating the black race.

    during the open floor debate on conceal carry in wisconsin a prominent member of the democrat party got up and spoke. he said that ccw must not pass because it would put more guns in the hands of black people. this was only 1 year ago not 1957...

    every black member of the wisconsin legislature voted in favor of ccw nearly every white democrat voted no on ccw...

    so yes gun control is racist as it is the stated goal in the past since before the civil war to keep guns out of the hands black people just as gun control is designed today to keep guns out of the hands of black people.

    i think it is waaaay past time we took a page out of the jesse jackson book and played some race cards.
     
  15. Vikingdad

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    Not only are gun control laws racist, they also discriminate against the poor. Gun control laws tend to push prices up, at least here in CA that happens. Add to that the additional costs to get a handgun safety certificate, the price of ammunition and the proposed taxes on it. Definitely discriminates against the poor.
     
  16. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I've never seen this question asked on a gun forum before. I was almost afraid to ask it becauase I feared the wrath of forum administrators.

    Thank God I was wrong about that!:)
     
  17. JonM

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    dont worry we are keeping an eye on it so it doesnt turn into a racial rant thread. it is a touchy topic but as long as people stay on topic it shouldnt be a problem
     
  18. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    gun control is racist, and the race they are trying to control is the gun owner!
     
  19. kdog

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    The be very frank, yes, gun control is a form of racism!

    Most of the time, the gun grabbers will project the breach of regulations (no matter what the outcome is) onto all legal gun owners.
    So when (speaking for gemany) some idiot takes his legally owned firearm and kills somebody, for what reason ever, the gungrabbers will automatically tell anybody, that all legal gun owners are potentially dangerous. Are potential school shooters, train professional killers, etc.

    But funilly enough (actually it`s not funny), when some idiot falls out of the bar, gets in his car, drives away and causes a crash under influence of alcohol, nobody will stand uo and say: All car owners are potential drunk drivers!
    And accidents under influence of alcohol is one the main causes for death in traffic and causes more dead people (including many, many, many children) that legally owned firearms in the last 20 years.

    One of the gungrabbers here in germany, set up a statistic stating that in the last 20 years approx. 130 people have died through legally owned firearms in germany and because of that huge danger, all firearms should be banned from private homes.
    Statistically in the same time range approx. 6800 people have died in cause of people driving intoxicated. That is 52 times more people, that by legal firearms, but nobody is aksing for a total ban of alcohol.

    So, that puts it to the point, where the death of a human being through the one way is socially accepted (funnily enough it`s the one with the most victims) and the other way is socially not accepted.
     
  20. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    Kdog, it has always been easier for the anti gun nuts to condemn a firearm rather than the person who used the firearm. do they blame the car when a drunk driver kills someone? no they blame the drunk. do they blame drownings on the pools? no they don't. so we need to ban just about anything that we come in contact with as it could probably kill us or someone else.

    funny thing is, anyone with some common sense can tell you, that to blame an inanimate objects is simply foolish and without reasoning. a gun in the hands of a bad person, intent on doing evil is bad, but the same gun in the hands of a good person who uses it with care and safety is a good thing.

    what we need is criminal control, not gun control. until the legislaters clamp down on criminal reform and make the criminals pay for their criminal behavour, we will have plenty of resistance in regard to gun control laws. stiffer penalties and punishment for repeat offenders and harsher penalties for first time offenders. put the rights back where they belong, with the law abiding citizen, and not by coddling the criminals. the criminals have had their way for way too long.