Is California really that bad?

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by madmiah, Aug 18, 2011.

  1. madmiah

    madmiah New Member

    I am moving to Cali soon (not gonna say when they might be watching) and I really wanna know is it really that bad? Before you get started with why would you want to do that and dont do it blah blah blah the mind is made I will be moving there and that is all there is to it.

  2. usmcprofessional

    usmcprofessional New Member

    uhh well. some say yes some say no. no for obvious reasons, its frickin cali. but many people here weigh the political side, the personal freedoms side, and of course the firearm owning side.

    the political side, that state is more warped and retarded beyond conventional thinking. as for firearms. unless your a lawyer, you wont get the laws. ive tried many a time to have people on here, from cali, explain to me what is truely illegal in that state, and they cant even tell me. hell, most of them own better crap than i do. but hey, cali come to find out isnt so bad. hell theres way worse than that. id tell you about Illinois law, but they all seem to be written in a weird mix of chinese and old russian.

  3. TekGreg

    TekGreg Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

    Uniquely Qualified

    Madmiah, I feel uniquely qualified to answer this question. I grew up in California for almost 40 years. I was married there, raised a family, and have lived in the San Francisco Bay Area, The San Joaquin Valley, Sonora and the foothills, and Beverly Hills. I even have extensive knowledge of the Inland Empire and parts of Nevada. I was a business owner and even held and used an FFL in my own business. California, firearms and I go way back.

    What USMCprofessional says rings of some truth. There are people in CA that have great weapons! They will never be found on the approved list and they are owned completely legally. How? They were grandfathered in. As long as you registered your weapons within the "Grace Period" offered by the state, you could keep anything you owned when the law came into effect. But, if it is ever sold, it MUST be sold to an out-of-state dealer if it is not on the list.

    CA has the least judgmental people in the states. With few exceptions, you can move almost anywhere in the state and do whatever you like and will not be judged for it by your friends and neighbors. That is what makes CA's politics so strange, but it can pretty much be summed up in two words: Diane Feinstein. The Senator from San Francisco has had her own personal hair against guns and gun rights and beating the people of CA with it for decades.

    The problem with this is much bigger than you would think initially. There is an axiom in politics that many don't realize: "As New York and California go, so goes America." This means that generally if either one of those states passes a law, then the other one approves it, it will generally sweep across the U.S. As a 2nd Amendment supporter, I spent thousands of hours and dollars with friends and family fighting everything she proposed. The problem is that the entire state has slowly become more and more apathetic over the years and that has made it easy for the liberals and democrats to take over with rhetoric.

    So the more you care about healthcare, politics, constitutional rights, balanced budgets, etc., the less support you will find amongst the populace of CA. And as far as your gun and carry rights, a carry permit is as rare as hens teeth. Most sheriffs make up reasons not to issue them. Search for the lawsuit against Merced County's current Sheriff. I hear the sheriff of Stanislaus County is now issuing them, which didn't use to be the case - I hope it is true. The firearms approved list makes no sense at all - sometimes a blued version of a model is on the list and a stainless steel version of the exact same model isn't on the list! Magazine size is limited to 10 rounds. Many suppliers have chosen not to ship to CA at all - see and for confirmation.

    As of six years ago, my wife and I had a break in both of our careers and the chance to move, so we did. I got a carry permit the first day I was allowed to and enjoy feeling like I actually live in America again. The only thing I miss about CA is the non-judgmental people - I just wish it didn't accompany their total apathy. :confused:

    My apologies to any Californians who do not fit this generalization. This is my own personal experience over 40 years and I was unfortunate enough not to meet you while I was there, much to my chagrin. :(
  4. PanBaccha

    PanBaccha New Member

    What a pleasure it was for me to read
    a concise and informative essay on
    regional attitudes and politics, with
    proper punctuation and spacing.
    Thank you, sir.
  5. opaww

    opaww New Member

    Very well said TekGreg a thumbs up
  6. JonM

    JonM Moderator

    My wife lived there until 10 years ago. Her opinion is they people are fantastic unless you like guns god and bbq... she tells me all the time that the things she doesnt miss most is their intolerance of conservatives and any opinion that doesnt agree with their preformed ideas of freedom.

    My take is if your personal morals arent some sort of perversion its illegal.

    There is no ammount of money that could make me live there but hey each their own good luck to ya
  7. TekGreg

    TekGreg Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

    Jon, As I said, my experience was in the areas I lived in. You could find areas that were hardcore liberal and even a small few that were hardcore conservative, but those were fewer, farther between and quieter. Conservatives with guns will do better almost anywhere but Illinois at this point.
  8. TekGreg

    TekGreg Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

    Thank you, PanBaccha! Almost all of my edits are because I can't stand looking at my own punctuation errors. I'm glad someone appreciates the perfection I try to apply! ;)
  9. TekGreg

    TekGreg Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

    Thanks, Opaww! I always get too wordy, but this one I thought I had a good excuse. :cool:
  10. Overkill0084

    Overkill0084 Active Member

    Your in Columbia South Carolina, are you sure you want to do this? You may find it's not really an upgrade. (I was TDY to Shaw AFB once, nice area.)
    Plan on your cost of living to double or more.
    The taxes will probably make your eyes water.
    How's your spanish?
    My wife's family is spread throughout CA. I honestly wish CA would come back into the US, because the state has a lot going for it. I was born there and left at age 14. Depending on your priorities, the negatives may not outweigh the positives. Having lived in a free state, I would be giving up too much to go back.
    Last edited: Aug 18, 2011
  11. M14sRock

    M14sRock Active Member

    The gun laws here are weird. But they are getting better, generally.

    Want an AR15? Make sure it is a version that is NOT named specifically on the AW list, then install a bullet button or prince button mag release.

    High/Full cap mags are fine to own and use as long as they were owned by you, inside the state, before the ban went into effect. But you can't use a mag over 10rds in an AR or it will turn it into a dreaded AW.

    CCW goes by the county, so one county will issue one, and another won't. But they are good for the whole state. Weird.
  12. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

    If I didn't have to live here, I would be gone yesterday.

    Our gun rights are under continual assault. There are four new anti-gun bills in the State Senate as I write this.

    The gun laws are more convoluted than Medusa's hairdo.

    We are taxed and taxed and taxed some more.

    Many of our State and Federal representatives act like royalty and are liberal/Left with capital L's. They don't even make a false attempt to appear fair and open minded.

    The enviro-nazi's are also in control.

    Thousands of acres of some of the most productive farmland in the world is fallow because a smelt is endangered, so the water has been diverted to protect the tiny fish. Thousands have been put out of work and farmers have lost their livelihood. There's much more eco-insanity, but you get the idea.

    Inner cities are in the possession of the scum of the earth.

    The cost of living is absurd. We pay more for everything.

    It is a beautiful State and the topography is amazing. There are mountains and desert and ocean and lakes, forests and rivers and Giant Redwood trees.

    There really are conservatives living here, but we are outnumbered and drowned out by the urban free lunch bunch and their handlers.

    It's a constant battle to defend freedom and personal responsibility and I get very tired of it. But, since I must live here, I feel it's my duty to carry on the fight.

    I wish you well if you move here. If you do, get politically active and surround yourself with like minded people.
  13. dunerunner

    dunerunner New Member

    It is why I retired in Oregon. In retrospect, not the best State in the union to have retired to, but close to family and friends and much more gun friendly than California.

  14. BarryNiven

    BarryNiven New Member

    Depending on where you live, it has some of the best weather in the nation. Depending on what you do, it has some of the best career opportunities in the nation.

    As a gun enthusiast you won't like certain parts of living in CA; but depending on your other interests you may find it fantastic overall. I lived there for 10 years and loved it. I'd go back in a heartbeat were it not for family matters that keep me elsewhere.
  15. unclebear

    unclebear New Member

    I agree the list of banned weapons is horribly ignorant they have one gun that is legal but only in stainless but the same gun in a blued finish isn't. Me personally I would stay, east coast southern is way different then west coast southern (mostly east cost speaks english).
  16. oldshooter

    oldshooter New Member

    Welcome the The Peoples Republic Of Kalifornia.
    If you are Liberal, move to the Bay Area or to southern Cal.
    More conservative : Northern Cal. will suit you better. And by Northern Cal., I mean north of Chico. We do not include the Bay area in out definition of North.
  17. NitroxAZ

    NitroxAZ New Member

    Another nail hit on the head CA. I was born and raised there until I was 28. I waited to long to buy a house and it became too expensive so I moved to the free state of Arizona and love it here. good luck on your California adventure.
  18. madmiah

    madmiah New Member

    Thanks for the honesty

    Well conservative I am and due to circumstance I have to live in SoCal orange county to be precise I dont have a choice in the matter or I would live somewhere way more gun friendly. Thankyou everyone that has given me honest advice and their points of view they are greatly appreciated as well I will not be knwing anyone in when I get there with the exception of my wife kids and her family and well I already know we are somewhat like minded so hey anyone in cali wanna be my friend?
  19. armsmaster270

    armsmaster270 New Member

    If I wasn't stuck here for now I would be in VT, a free state.
  20. Buckeyeborn

    Buckeyeborn New Member

    Tekgreg it seem we traded places I came Cincinnati in
    The navy in 75 and have not been able to leave married girl
    From Fremont been there ever since people are ok the politics
    Suck there are pockets of very strong conservatives but not
    The bay area thanks for the perspective