Is 7.62x39 an acceptible hunting round,,, you decide

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by Nathantc, Mar 15, 2012.

  1. Nathantc

    Nathantc New Member

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    a good bold action 7.62x39 rifle should be a good hunting rifle

    30.06 from a 24" barrel 150 grain bullet has a muzzle velocity of 2,910 fps 2,820 ft. lbs At 200 yards the figures are 2,342 fps and 1,827 ft. lbs

    .308 from a 24" barrel 150 grain bullet has muzzle velocity of 2,820 fps and muzzle energy of 2,648 ft. lbs. The figures at 200 yards are 2,263 fps and 1,705 ft. lbs.

    30-30 from a 20" barrel 150 grain bullet has a muzzle velocity of 2,390 fps and 1,605 ft. lbs. of muzzle energy and at 200 yards the velocity is 1,902 fps and the energy is 858 ft. lbs

    7.62x39 from a 16" barrel 123 grain FMJ bullet (SD .182) at a muzzle velocity of 2365 fps with a muzzle energy of 1552 ft. lbs. At 100 yards the velocity has dropped to 2062 fps and the energy to 1180 ft. lbs. At 200 yards the velocity is 1783 fps and the energy is 882 ft. lbs. The trajectory for the 7.62x39 looks like this: +1.5" at 100 yards, 0 at 150 yards, -3.8" at 200 yards, -10.4" at 250 yards.

    now i cant find any figures on 7.62x39 from a 24" barrel so take in to consideration that the 7.62x39 isn't getting a fair run coming from a barrel that's 8" shorter and semi auto where the 308 and 30.06 are coming from a bolt action with 8" more barrel,,, this makes a big difference

    30.06 150g bullet
    muzzle 2,910 fps/2,820 ft. lbs
    200 yards 2,342 fps/1,827 ft. lbs

    .308 150g bullet
    muzzle 2,820 fps/2,648 ft. lbs
    200 yards 2,263 fps/1,705 ft. lbs.

    7.62x54r 150g bullet (23" barrel)
    muzzle 2,700 fps/2,193 ft.lbs
    200 yards 2,428 fps/1,602 ft. lbs.

    30-30 150g bullet
    muzzle 2,390 fps/1,605 ft. lbs.
    200 yards 1,902 fps/858 ft. lbs.

    7.62x39 123g bullet
    muzzle 2365 fps/1552 ft. lbs
    200 yards 1783 fps/882 ft. lbs

    seems to me that for 100-200 yard hunting rifle the 7.62x39 is much cheaper to shoot and would be a worthy rifle for short range bush hunting and should be quite capable of deer and other mid size game with great effect
     
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  2. JTJ

    JTJ Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I have to agree. It is roughly equivalent to the 30-30 so anything you could do with it you should be able to do with the 7.62X39. There are 150 grn SP rounds available also. There are a few bolt actions available. The one I like best is the CZ527 Carbine (18.5"). Ruger and Savage also chamber bolts for it. The Ruger Mini 30 Ranch which is a semi would also make a good hunter for deer and hogs and has an 18" barrel. I have an older Mini 30 and would use it for hunting if I still hunted.
     

  3. Nathantc

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    just edited in the 30-30 thank u for that and yes they are surprisingly close
     
  4. cottontop

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    It should be an entirely capable round for deer hunting. I suggest though that you use a soft point bullet when hunting instead of a FMJ.
    cottontop
     
  5. Nathantc

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    also just added some 7.62x54r to show that is closer to 308 than its it to 30.06 which is contrary to popular belief
     
  6. blucoondawg

    blucoondawg New Member

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    Plenty of guys in my neck of the woods have been usin sks for a long time now on deer.
     
  7. jpattersonnh

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    But your 7.62x54r data is wrong. A 150gr bullet can be pushed to 2900fps.
    Cartridges of the World, 11th edition, page 355, has it at 2800fps w/ a fast burning powder, imr3031. Use the correct powder such as imr4064 and it is a new ballgame. The Norma factory load w/ a 150gr SP is 2950fps.
    Hodgdon has every powder listed over 2900fps w/ max load, BLC(2) is 3029fps w/ a 150gr.
     
  8. orangello

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    Yup, same down here. Roses store sold chinese SKS's like hotcakes back in the mid & late 1980's; i almost bought one as a kid. I think convenience was part of it, "kill it and grill it with the same rifle"; gotta love a spike bayonet.
     
  9. jpattersonnh

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    To the original question, The 7.62x39 makes a great woods gun in the SKS. My old FFL had a bolt gun w/ a 23" barrel. He also had cases of Lapua 123gr HP. Very accurate. He had about a 200 yard clearing off his back porch. He used it on Woodchucks, skunks, coyotes. He put extra feed out in the Winter for Whitetail. He gave up hunting when he became wheelchair bound.
     
  10. mjkeat

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    I'd have to buy a wagon for some of those rifles. 24", holy hell.

    Velocity is nice but what about bullet choice. 7.62x39 just doesn't have the bullet variety as rounds like the .308.
     
  11. JTJ

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    Most of the available bullets are in the 123 grn range. hp, sp and bt. There are some 150 gr sp available too. In loaded rounds there are the same choices. Wolf and Bear load hp and sp. Hornady loads some bt along with sp. No it isn't the same as 308 as the 308 is the American standard. That does not mean there aren't suitable bullets and loaded ammo available. Just not as much choice. On the plus side you can buy 7.62x39 hunting ammo for $5-$7 a box of 20.
     
  12. JonM

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    if your looking for a softer shooting 30cal just download a 308 or 30-06. 308 has little recoil in a bolt gun to begin with so if you use a minimum charge and light bullets its prolly right in the same range as a 7.62x39.

    when your looking at data for the x54r remember that the rooskies load it light to prevent damage to their pkm recievers. while reliable the pkm is not a very robust design and under full power x54r loads they pretty much disassemble themselves in short order. so the russian military surplus is downloaded to about 308 levels or less.
     
  13. orangello

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    Interesting! I wonder, is that why so many have complained that the soft-point hunting rounds kick like a mule compared to the sardine can stuff? Seems reasonable.
     
  14. Nathantc

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    went out right at 4am and there was 40-50 hogs in a large group and i got one at 175 yards at night with a Streamlight TLR-1S and my red dot,,, hit her right in the heart and yes the bullet exited

    ammo 122g Tula HP 7.62x39
    rifle SAR-1

    i now see im going to need to stock up on ammo,,, my hog troubles are much worse than i thought

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    tree @ 50 yards with light and red dot,,, to bad my only cam is a cell phone that hates night pix

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  15. FrontierTCB

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    I guess that answers the original question. lol Happy Huntin!
     
  16. Nathantc

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    im quite impressed it put a HP threw the hog at 175 yards,,, never would have thought it would go all the way threw like that
     
  17. Crazycastor

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    I would use a 7.62x39 to hunt with. They have alot of power going down range. I made up some swinging targets and the target area was made up of 3\8inch steel. The bullet went though that 3\8 inch steel like butter and the hole it made was big enough to put the whole bullet with brass through it without touching the sides. I really believe this round would make a perfect hog gun and have no doubt it would take down any deer in America. But in my opinion I wouldn't shoot anything past 250 yards. I don't know how fast this bullet drops or slows down after that range.
     
  18. Nathantc

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    ill put it this way,, the ak is zeroed at 200 yards,, at the 270 yard mark i aimed as high as the spine and it hit about 5" low right in to the boiler room (heart)

    its not a flat shooting round but for a guy like me that bust clays at 300 with a .22lr you get real good at redneck hold over lol
     
  19. locutus

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    Just my personal choice, but NO WAY would i consider using a .30-30 or a 7.62X39 past 100 yards.

    Both are capable rounds when used within their limitations.

    My son killed his first elk with a .30-30. But the range was 30 yards.
     
  20. Nathantc

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    you say that but this 7.62x39 over penetrated the hog at 175 yards and the hog dropped dead on the spot,, the time it took me to walk out there she wasn't even breathing or moving at all, the bullet passed all the way threw at about a 20* angle from just behind the front right shoulder and out about 9" back from the left shoulder.

    dont know about you but thats impressed the hell out of me,, especially shooting hollow point ammo

    i could have used my .270 for that shot but i already had my ak in my hands and i know from taking deer with an sks out to that distance and more that it would do the job if i do my part... that 7.62x39 gave the hog a good quick and clean death

    im sure many many hogs and other large game are hunted with AK47 in south Africa by the people that live there

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    i agree that within its limits,, sorta like me taking a deer last year at just over 800 yards with a Remington core lokt 150g .270win,, and it went from the deers upper chest and out the groin area just under the rear leg (deer was facing me) that was with a 24" barrel Remington 700 that i built chambered in .270win,,, not short mag or any other... rifle rounds do far more than what people give them credit for.

    but even though the rear sight leaf says 1000 meters i sure as hell wouldn't have chanced wounding the deer with an ak at that distance
     
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