Iron sights 100yds

Discussion in 'Range Report' started by PatC, Jul 29, 2011.

  1. PatC

    PatC New Member

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    Guys im shooting 100yds right now and putting 25 out of 25 round s in a 7" circle. AR A2 223 55GR. Iron sights, eyes 53 years old. Im I there or need a smaller circle?? I guess what im asking is how Im doing compared to you guys?? Pat C.
     
  2. Sniper03

    Sniper03 Supporting Member Supporter

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    PAT,

    Is this from a standing position? Or from a rest. Obviously that would make a difference. Then there are other issues like quality of ammunition, how much you have practiced and finally as some of us here on the FTF know well, it is called "Old Eyes" For someone with good eyes the iron sights are as accurate as any other type sight if the shooter practices and is proficient. As you probably know at Camp Perry they shoot 600 yards with the irons which is all they are allowed to use in the rifle competition. In the day I had two Match M-14s in the Army which in competition were very accurate with iron sights only. Today like many of us here we are significantly older and the old eyes are not what they use to be. I prefer optics these days but still can shoot the irons but not as good as I once did. So with that said when you asked the question there is a lot of factors that should be considered. A 7 inch group for most people off hand would certainly be a very decent group.
     

  3. opaww

    opaww New Member

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    Hell I am lucky to hit the hill at the back of the range with or without scope. Iron sights you are doing ok.
     
  4. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    a trick i use is to use whichever appears smaller either the sight or the target and split the larger of the two and center it. i focus on the very middle of the front sight.
     
  5. chaser2020

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    They have the new microsight for High Power open sight.
     
  6. jjfuller1

    jjfuller1 New Member

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    during bootcamp i cant count how many times we were told to focus on the CLEAR TIP OF THE FRONT SIGHT POST.. and split the target with that,, worked well for me...9 of ten on a wicked windy day at the 500yd line
     
  7. diggsbakes

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    It really depends on your position. Prone, kneeling or rested 7" @ 100 yards is something I would settle for. . . but if you're standing or another off-handed stance, then you're doing above average. My AKs do about 8-10" when rested or prone.
     
  8. wmille01

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    Aim small miss small, I have about the same group at 100yrds with my M14 I have about a 5 or 6" circle standing.
     
  9. PatC

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    Hay thanks for the feedback!! Im on a bench so im thinking I need a smaller circle. Sniper about 300 or 400 rounds of american Eagle AE223 55 Gr. FMJ. JJ that brought back the basic training memories , 76 USAF then Security Police training!! Im putting the top of the front site at the bottom of the circle. If I move to the center I my get a click or two on my back sit. It bottomed out. Right??? Now im going ask this I knew it at one time but CRSRB has taken it. The rear sit has a large hole and a small hole . the large hole is for long distance and the small hole is for short distance Right??? It's been 30 years sence iv handled one So please cut me some slack till I get back up to speed. Thank you Pat C.
     
  10. opaww

    opaww New Member

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    I believe it's the other way around small for long and large for close
     
  11. jjfuller1

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    close.. small for day shooting, large for nighttime.. small hole at any distance will be more accurate
     
  12. sharpshooter2

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    r u useing a rest such as lead sled or just sand bagging it?those short barrell ar's are capable of holding a tighter group.But not bad any way.(I know what you mean about the eyes mine are 61 yrs old)
     
  13. masterPsmith

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    With my accurized, iron sight Mini-14, the right ammo, proper targets "and if I do my part on a good day", I can hold under 1 1/2 MOA with the occational MOA groups off the bench at 100 yards. Standing 100 yard groups will average around 4 to 6 inches. Kneeling and sitting comes in at around 3 to 4 inches with 2 to 3 inches at prone if I don't have too much back pain at the time. The old eyes are still in fair condition at 60 years.

    Pat, if your rifle and eyes are up to it, your groups will only improve with practice. Don't try to judge yourself by compairing your shooting with others, you will get there........


    Jim..............
     
    Last edited: Jul 31, 2011
  14. Sniper03

    Sniper03 Supporting Member Supporter

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    Pat,

    Opaww is correct the small aperture is for long distance and the large aperture is for close quarters or close combat. As far as the dot. I think you will vastly improve your group if your rifle is zeroed at 50 or 100 yards. Then draw a Black + (Cross) on the target paper with the lines being about 6 inches long (each). Then hold the top of the front sight post on the bottom of the Horizontal Line and centered on the vertical line. The width of the Cross will depend upon the distance. For example at 100 yards make the lines on the Cross about 1 inch wide using iron sights, or what ever is the thinnest you can see well? obviously the closer the target the thinner you need to make the line! I am betting this will help you to shoot much better groups.
    When using a scope or optic you can make the lines much thinner due to the fact you can see them better.:)
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  15. PatC

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    Thanks will keep plugin away!! Pat C.