Interesting Bill Being Introduced to Destroy ATF Records

danf_fl said:

I like this:
Texas congressman introduces anti-gun registry bill as ATF cracks down on gun stores

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Yes, but if it passes who and how will destruction of records be recorded?

If you can't trust an FFL holder, who can you trust?

I would set up a committee of citizens.

danf_fl said:

If you can't trust an FFL holder, who can you trust?

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My neighbor is a crooked FFL holder.

danf_fl said:

I would set up a committee of citizens.

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And if copies of such data get held in spots where such a committee doesn't see it ...

How will law enforcement be able to trace firearms?

danf_fl said:

I would set up a committee of citizens.

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Agree, that way, nothing would ever get done.

alsaqr said:

How will law enforcement be able to trace firearms?

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Why do they need to be able to trace them if they haven't been used in a crime. After a crime, guns only need to be traced to the latest owner or user.

Southernguns said:

Why do they need to be able to trace them if they haven't been used in a crime. After a crime, guns only need to be traced to the latest owner or user.

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The guns history shouldn't matter so much. Left to it's own devices, it's generally innocent
of any wrongdoing.

Trace the history of the shooter.

ellis

this is a non starter as it is too late , the ATF worked non stop around the clock in Martinsburg wv creating a data base by digitizing all the records to create an illegal data base , they used handheld scanners to make it faster , they did this under the guise of creating a traceable data base

It wouldn't matter anymore - alphabet soup will ignore it.

micmacman said:

this is a non starter as it is too late , the ATF worked non stop around the clock in Martinsburg wv creating a data base by digitizing all the records to create an illegal data base , they used handheld scanners to make it faster , they did this under the guise of creating a traceable data base

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Didn't someone catch an ATF lady on camera using her phone to snap pics of documents pertaining to this exact subject?

Perhaps a better law would be since all these records are tantamount to registration anyway using them would be a non-starter for investigations. Think of it like a traffic stop that finds pounds of coke in the trunk. The seizure would be moot if there was no reason for the stop in the first place.

oaklandopen said:

Didn't someone catch an ATF lady on camera using her phone to snap pics of documents pertaining to this exact subject?

Perhaps a better law would be since all these records are tantamount to registration anyway using them would be a non-starter for investigations. Think of it like a traffic stop that finds pounds of coke in the trunk. The seizure would be moot if there was no reason for the stop in the first place.

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The "fruit of the poisonous tree" concept. That could indeed make any and all misuse in a legal setting moot. Perhaps it's the only viable way to essentially dismantle this sort of thing. I don't imagine the people in possession of such records and rule-making power will ever willingly give it up. But, essentially cut all use off at the knees to the point it's all incapable of being used in any manner, AND institute exceedingly harsh punitive measures, then perhaps ...