Insane legal question

Discussion in 'The Club House' started by Benning Boy, Jul 8, 2009.

  1. Benning Boy

    Benning Boy New Member

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    Some of you know, I'm all about Japanese cinema.

    One of my favorites is the Lone Wolf and Cub series, a ronin travels the country assassinating for money.

    He is accompanied by his toddler son, whom he pushes in a wooden baby cart. The cart is loaded with weapons.

    So here's the question. One of the weapons is a Gatling style gun that pops out the front, and fires full auto. For the period, it would have to be black powder.

    If one were to attempt to replicate this baby cart for giggles, and crafted it by hand, is such a monstrosity legal?
     
  2. caniswalensis

    caniswalensis New Member

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    What a great question!!

    I too am a fan of Japanese films, although I am more of a Gojira man by nature.

    I would think that if you could get a licence for full auto CC (is there such a thing?) you might pull it off. But if the kid is in there when you pull the trigger, CPS will be all over you! :D

    Regards, Canis
     

  3. Benning Boy

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    The thing is, no FFL is required for muzzle loaders. A serious FFL is required for an auto. It's legal to buy those duckfoot derringer pistols, which dump all three barrels simultaneously.

    This is a crazy gray area. If the hypothetical gun in question had 8 barrels, would having them fire simultaneously then be a non automatic firearm?
     
  4. caniswalensis

    caniswalensis New Member

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    Oh! I was picturing an actual gattling gun that fired in succession.

    That is a crazy grey area.

    Maybe you could do and end run around the problem by training the baby to fire it on command. If the baby gets in trouble, at least his record would be cleared when he turns 18. :D
     
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  5. user4

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    Dude...you just described Shogun Assassin. JD's been given me grief for that movie since I posted a quote from it two months ago.
     
  6. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Muzzle loaders are not regulated. A full auto muzzle loader would not even be a firearm under Federal law and therefor not subject to the NFA regs.

    That's just my opinion, I am not a lawyer and I have never stayed at a Holiday Inn Express.
     
  7. Yunus

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    There's another thread around here that someone was asking about felons and muzzleloaders and I'm pretty sure it was mentioned that just because there is no background check does not mean it is not a firearm. It still is a firearm its just not a regulated firearm. Which to me means that it would become a class III weapon if you configured multiple cartridges to be fired at one time.

    Also if this is a weapon designed to be disquised as a Baby cart it might be regulated for that reason.
     
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  8. orangello

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    Are there muzzle-loading double-barrel shotguns?
     
  9. skullcrusher

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    Yes, there are. :)
     
  10. Benning Boy

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    Shogun Assassin is portions of the 4 Lone Wolf and Cub movies that some director spliced together to rake in on it's success.

    So since some double barrel shotguns can discharge both barrels simultaneously, why is it not NFA? Is there a clear definition somewhere?
     
  11. skullcrusher

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    Forget definitions, let's talk about the baby carraige. There are BP double-barrel pistols. Keep in mind that the shotguns and pistols are meant for shot.
     
  12. WDB

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    I don't know if it's legal but I would truly like to see your invention come to life:D
     
  13. Benning Boy

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    The gun will be the least cool part. There are the switchblade naginata (halberd), and the out the front spears.

    What kind of wood?
     
  14. Benning Boy

    Benning Boy New Member

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    This is the basis.
     

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  15. WDB

    WDB New Member

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    Looks like you have to go with bambo and teak?:eek::):D
     
  16. Benning Boy

    Benning Boy New Member

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    I like teak.

    Maybe I'll get one of those pepperbox kits for the front. Two would be better.:D
     
  17. orangello

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    If you mounted a claymore on the front, would it send the baby carraige zooming off backwards when it was fired? I've always wondered about that; those lil spikes they stick in the ground to hold them in all the groovy movies don't seem very substantial. :D
     
  18. Benning Boy

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    Claymores have a tendency to just sort of vanish. Trained on arming and firing one for years, but the first time I did it for real, I just knew I was gonna somehow create enough static electricity to pop the blasting cap halfway into the mine.

    Scariest thing I've done in my life.
     
  19. Ubergopher

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    Lets be honest here Benning, if you manage to create one of those, the ATF won't care about legality 'cause you have a MOTHER ****ING BP MACHNE GUN, and anything they do won't be able to match its awesomeness.
     
  20. panzermk2

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    Totally loved that series.

    As a manufacturing FFL I can tell you this. Your good on many levels.

    1)Gatling guns are perfectly legal as long as they are hand cranked and no motor in involved.

    2) Being a muzzle loader allot of laws like barrel length minimums for SBR's are out the window. That is why you can own a muzzle loading shot gun with a super short barrel.

    I would love to see this cart.