infared laser

Discussion in 'Optics & Mounts' started by usmcdowney, Apr 2, 2010.

  1. usmcdowney

    usmcdowney New Member

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    Does anyone know if it is legal to get an infared laser to mount on an assualt rifle? and if it is where I can get one?
     
  2. sigp250

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    LaserMax makes a ForeGrip laser, The Colt CLG is made for Colt Defense. It fits AR-15, M-4 & PDW. LaserMax also makes rail mount lasers in red and green with several accessories. Check with your local gun shop first. They are legal for civilians in most states. They are legal in Missouri. Suppressors are now legal in Missouri to civilians with a Federal C&R Licence, $30.00.
     
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  3. Missileman

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    Are you really talking about an INFRARED laser? (I.E. not visible to the human eye) From my quick research, they typically consist of a long (1-3 meters) waveguide filled with gaseous organic molecules, optically pumped or via HV discharge. They are highly inefficient, often require helium cooling, high magnetic fields, and/or are only line tunable. Don't think they're available in any size smaller than a Buick...
    What, if I may ask, were you wanting to do with it?
     
  4. sigp250

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    There are some pretty cool multi-purpose aiming reflex sight with red dot reticle & infrared laser pointers. They are made by BeamShot, Surefire, Fraser-Volpe and a few others. The cost is under $1,000. Unfortuneatly, they can only be sold to military and law enforcement. For most types you also need night vision equipment in order to see the beam. Attaced are a couple pictures.

    bs6000a_02.jpg WRFVMARSIR.jpg
     
  5. usmcdowney

    usmcdowney New Member

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    Yep that is what I am looking for the military version that need night vision to be seen. I have seen surfires but like you said military only sales I am looking for a place to buy one as a civilian.
     
  6. Dillinger

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    Infared is not allowed for sale in this country to the civilian buying public. Sadly.

    Now, if you have your paperwork in order and are allowed to purchase this hardware, then I would submit you don't need a "civilian" sales outfit ( as none probably exist above board ).

    I would suggest you do some serious research about the laws concerning the owning of Class III and "restricted" firearms and equipment in your area before going any further.

    And/or just posting on the Interwebz. :rolleyes:

    JD
     
  7. usmcdowney

    usmcdowney New Member

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    I was afraid that it would be illegal in this country. Oh well now I will just have to wait for the Gen 4 PS22 to come out.
     
  8. skullcrusher

    skullcrusher New Member

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    One of those would be so cool to hunt yotes or coons if my state allowed sights that emit a beam of light.
     
  9. sigp250

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    This is another example of a laser for military use only. LLM01 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
    I believe a class III Federal firearms license would not work since the laser itself is not regulated by BATFE.
    The maximum laser power for civilian use is C5 mW (I think) and is regulated by the FCC. There are some visible lasers that exceed this power limit and can not be sold for civilian use. All inferred diode lasers exceed this power limit.
     
  10. Dillinger

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    An EDFA ( Erbium-Doped Fiber Amplifier ) can be tuned to bump high level intensity light beyond the C5mw listed if you short stack them, which causes a ton of distortion.

    The real problem with infared is that you can't see it with the human eye.

    Police Agencies aren't equipped with Infared Night/Day Vision to be able to detect. It's too damn expensive.

    Mayors, high profile public figures, high value businessmen/women who are in public after making unpopular decisions.

    Now, extrapolate this out.

    Anyone with a vendetta could very easily cause a lot of damage with a little planning.

    We have seen that people that pull out a gun might get off a couple of rounds and they might hit someone, but rarely are they successful with hitting the target they want.

    Give an idiot a form of laser that is zero'd and one that only they can see??

    It's a Demented Mall Ninja's Wet Dream.
     
  11. sigp250

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    Just a thought, A night vision scope converter that mounts to the front of an existing 50mm scope might be a legal alternative. With some ambient light a good quality night scope can be good up to about 200 yards. The only one I know of is the ATN PS22 Gen 2+ scope converter. With adapter it is about $2,000.00
     
  12. usmcdowney

    usmcdowney New Member

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    regular night vision can see the laser, also go ahead and add a suppressor and you become pretty much undetectable especially if you use subsonic ammo. Why do you think the military uses them?

    ATN now has GEN 4 night vision but not in the PS22 so I figure it is only a matter of time before I could get a GEN4 PS22 unfrotunatley that will probably cost between $5000-$6000
     
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    I have a stupid question, why?
     
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    So the other ninja's can't see the dot :confused:
     
  16. sigp250

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    I does make you wonder. I don't have a clue why usmcdowney would need night vision, an inferred laser or a night vision scope converter and a suppressor. I do know that some ranchers in Texas and a few other wide open rural areas use them to hunt wild pig and coyote at night. Of course, they do not need suppressors or the marketing hype of the 80's, Subsonic Ammo.
     
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  17. usmcdowney

    usmcdowney New Member

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    Actually there is no good reason i have absolutely no need for them anywhere in the forciable future. So I guess the answer is because I can. Well not the infared laser part appartently but the rest of it why not?
     
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    m72law New Member

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    you could always mount one of those game finder pro M heatseeker devices on your rifle,throw on your night vision goggles & bam!i was at a gun show a few years back...and was looking & bought a pair of NV goggles,the guy was telling me that night vision want see laser beams:eek:...but he pulled out one of those cheesey heat seeking tools and pointed at the wall and when i looked at it with the NV's on,i could see a white dot on everything it made contact with...pretty cool but...:confused:
     
  20. ofitg

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    Go to Ebay and search for "Invisiblesight PAQ-4".

    Looks interesting, but it's made in Hong Kong........???

    I don't know about the legality of such devices. Here in AZ, I heard it's illegal to discharge firearms after dark, so I wouldn't have much use for one.