In what Condition do you carry your Sig?

Discussion in 'Concealed Carrying & Personal Protection' started by cko, Jan 13, 2010.

  1. cko

    cko New Member

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    My uncle was really my introduction into the CandC world. His weapon of choice is a Sig P229, which I happened to like when I shot it. However, he always carries in what I believe is Condition 2, being a loaded weapon with no round in the chamber.

    This bothers me for obvious reasons, most notably that in a situation where quick action is needed, a slide racking can be impossible.

    My question is this: Who here uses a Sig weapon and what Condition do you carry it in? Is it safe to carry in Condition One despite the lack of a conventional safety?

    Thanks in advance,
    Chris
     
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  2. MB44

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  3. cko

    cko New Member

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    You're the man.
    I actually read the first reply top that thread but it kinda threw me off with the direction it took.

    Thanks again.
     
  4. willfully armed

    willfully armed New Member

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    You say you can't carry in a holster "legally". Which represents that you are carrying illegally.

    Why implicate yourself as a criminal?
     
  5. MB44

    MB44 New Member

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    Have you ever lived in South America,..???
     
  6. canebrake

    canebrake New Member

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    I don’t carry a gun dumbed down to be safe, I carry one that will be incredibly dangerous when I “SAFELY” remove it from my holster and blow some dirt bag’s heart out!

    Condition 1 and only!
     
  7. Mr. Bluesky

    Mr. Bluesky New Member

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    A lot of this would depend on the gun's action and safeties, too. P229 standard or DAK?

    Also, I've never actually shot one, but the standard DA/SA has no manual safety, but a decocker, right?
     
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  8. cko

    cko New Member

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    P229 standard, and no DAK. Basically I guess I was just wondering about whether there was a risk in the trigger being pulled on the DA first shot while holstered.

    It seems unlikely, but better to ask than shoot myself in the foot due to stupidity.
     
  9. Kage0113

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    I think it depends on the person. Some feel comfortable with one chambered, others do not. My concealed carry should be here early next week, so I don't yet carry outside my home. I carry around the house to get used to having a gun on me, and I definately notice when I leave that it's not there. I don't have a round chambered. I too worry about it accidently going off, seeing as how my M&P only has that trigger safety, no other manual safety. But I also see where canebrake is coming from. Quick action is needed when you are in a situation in which you may need to use your weapon. I may start keeping a round chambered when I do carry. I have a leather holster that completely covers the trigger and trigger guard, so I don't worry about the trigger accidently being pulled. I think it mostly depends on your holster in what condition you should carry in.
     
  10. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Many, if not most people that carry in condition 2 received their handgun training in the military on 1911's. The military had several things to consider when chosing the carry method; 1. the age of the weapon. Many 1911s were older than the service member's parents and were not in the best shape. 2. The experience level of the service member. They got a few hours of instruction on the gun and fired a very limited number of rounds during familiarization and qualification. It was more prudent to keep the chambers empty to prevent accidents. 3. The maturity level of the service member. Many were late teens to early 20's and may have been inclined to do stupid things with loaded guns.
    The 1911's they used in the military did not have the modern safety features designed into them. They did not have a passive firing pin block and could fire if dropped. They had safeties that were worn and not very "safe". The trigger pull weight and distance could vary quite alot. Gentle pressure on one trigger could be enough to fire another.

    The Sig's have several advantages over an old issue 1911. The firing pin is captured (blocked) until the trigger is pulled fully to the rear. The hammer does not actually touch the firing pin when at rest.

    In a nut shell, the Sigs are perfectly safe to carry with a round in the chamber.
     
  11. jimbobpissypants

    jimbobpissypants New Member

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    Sigs are designed to be carried condition 1. At the end of the day, it is a personal decision. Are you comfortable carrying your particular gun that way. I carry mine for years now cond. 1. Same with my 1911s. I feel it just better to not touch the trigger until I intend to put a hole in something. I train that way. If you are gonna carry cond 2, I suggest you train to rack the slide on your draw. I'm sure if you did a quick poll of users, the vast majority carry cond1. Carrying cond1 is the equivalent of carrying a revolver with every chamber loaded. Some folks do carry on an empty chamber. I personally think that is kind of silly too. I carry my gun so I am ready if something goes horribly wrong. So, I prefer to be as ready as I can be.
    The 229 is an excellent firearm. It is as safe as a firearm can be.
     
  12. sigp250

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    I carry a Sig P250, sometimes a Sig P229 Elite and very often a Kimber1911.

    An LCP is usually also the pocket.

    The only stupid person trick I have had was with my Walther PPS. I was about to clean it, went to de-cock it without realizing there was one the the chamber. I shot clear through a heavy door frame and into the wall beyond.

    Never the less, ALL pistols are always chambered.
     
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  13. MB44

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    Yes, it is correct that the training that I received was from a institute that has a military background, thus I too was taught to carry in condition 2. Would my local circumstances have been different then I too would carry in condition 1, as you undeniable save some fractions of a second in a situation where you have you use your firearm. But as always, CC is a matter of tradeoffs, and in my case I have found what I believe is the best option for me, and I train regularly with exactly the setup that I have chosen. Anyway,.. great background info robocop10mm - I didn't know that....
     
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  14. Scott3670

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    I have a SIG P250 and it is always loaded with one in the chamber. I am comfortable enough with my training and experience that I don't fear a negligent discharge.
     
  15. Cnynrat

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  16. Phelenwolf

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    Condition 1 with my Sig P229 for 12yrs then I switched to my XD45C which I also carry in condition 1. It all boils down to what you are comfortable with.
     
  17. freefall

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    I was under the impression that Condition 2 is hammer down on a loaded chamber, Condition 3 is hammer down on an empty chamber. Not so? Or have they changed it while I wasn't paying attention?
     
  18. NGIB

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    Traditional Sigs (DA/SA with decocker) are kept with a round chambered and decocked. My 238 is kept like a 1911, chambered, cocked & locked...
     
  19. jbd

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    condition 1 on all the guns I carry. If I buy a new gun that I have little experience with I shoot it and break it down and clean it over and over until I am 100% comfortable with it, so that I can carry in condition 1. If I ever need to use it to protect myself all I will need to do is remove from holster and locate my target.
     
  20. Phelenwolf

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    You are correct.