In the market for a Gun Safe, could use some suggestions

Discussion in 'Gun Safes' started by Specialkayme, Mar 26, 2015.

  1. Specialkayme

    Specialkayme New Member

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    I don't have an armory. Currently 7 mid range guns, with a few thousand rounds of ammo. But I have some plans in the future (acquiring more guns, obtaining some NFA items). Wife and I will also be planning on having kids in the near future, and we have some valuables and important documents. So I'm in the near market for a gun safe. I can afford to wait though. I was hoping some on here could give me a few suggestions, pointers, opinions, ect.

    Here's the list of importance for me:
    1. Assistance loading - I have friends, but not too many. Not close enough that I feel comfortable inviting them over to help me place the gun safe in the closet. I'd prefer if few people knew about it.
    2. Something to keep locked up - mainly from soon to be inquisitive kids.
    3. Something with decent fire-resistant rating
    4. Something that will deter a criminal, but probably not stop them - top of the line isn't a big deal for me. I won't have hundreds of thousands of dollars of valuables in there. If a burglar comes with good steel cutting equipment, I recognize I'm screwed anyway and I'll just file an insurance claim.
    5. Cost effective - I'd prefer to keep it under $1,000. Although if I need to I can go higher.

    I'm looking at a 12-20 gun safe, something that I can put in the closet. I know I should look at buying bigger than I need right now, but I really only plan on getting one more gun a year over the next several years. So a 12-20 gun safe will work fine for me. If I need to get a bigger one in 5-10 years, I'm ok with that.

    I'm hesitant to buy a used safe on craigslist - for one I don't get any loading/delivery help, but for two there is a local guy that knows my name and can probably find me that has my gun safe combination. Makes me feel uncomfortable.

    My local Gander Mountain has a Liberty series that appears halfway decent, although I've heard horrible reviews:
    http://www.gandermountain.com/modpe...ech-Lock-Black-Gloss-Chrome-Hardware&i=841600

    Other than that, I'll probably have to order it. Meaning I won't really get to see it first hand before it comes.

    So any suggestions?
     
  2. jsr5

    jsr5 New Member

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    pretty much any safe I am aware of at this time you will be able to change the combination to suit yourself just make sure you get all the keys etc that go with the safe for making those changes and a second hand should be safe. As for them knowing your name and stuff use a login name that is not your own and I see no requirement to share addresses for a gun safe might or might not be a good idea when buying second hand guns but not a safe. Mine came from a farm and home store I am pleased enough with mine it is a bit large but I have three fine sons to help me when I have to move it. If moving is a big concern and looking at the list of items you have might want to consider two or even three safes of smaller size rather than one for all. that has the benefit of not having all your eggs in one basket. Make sure fire ratings are done by a reputable rating entity. keep in mine you likely won't get 12 guns in a 12 gun safe think mine lists as a 24 but if I stuff 24 in there I'll be banging them up.
    If you can afford it don't skimp get as good a safe as you can afford. I really wish I could afford the safe that has the anti drilling technology that includedes a layer of hardened stell ball bearings that defies attempts to drill into your safe.

    Thats my 2cents hope it helps.
     

  3. Shoobee

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    My locksmith who bolted down my gun safe for me with a special drill and special steel expanding bolts told me that a professional safe cracker would need a large heavy duty drill plus the right training and 30 minutes to crack into any gun safe.

    So there you have it.

    My home was burglarized about a year ago and the thief being an amateur smash and grab guy could not get into my gun safe, so everything inside of it was safe.

    He turned over the apartment, but only took a fraternity ring on the dresser (I did not wear it that day) and my compound hunting bow (it would not have fit inside the safe).

    So my first suggestion is to get a safe big enough to hold all your valuables --

    - long guns

    - handguns

    - ammo

    - archery gear

    - cameras

    - binos

    - telescope

    - jewelry

    - laptops

    - etc ...

    My second suggestion is to bolt it to the cement foundation with special steel expanding bolts that are impossible to remove.

    My third suggestion is to sleep with a pistol under your pillow and carry a lethal weapon with you at all times. That way if you interrupt a burglary you can shoot him/them. Burglars usually travel in pairs where one guy is the lookout and the other guy does the breaking in.

    Our neighborhood has had numerous burglaries which seem to migrate from home to home, both during the middle of the day when everyone is gone to work in this bedroom community and in the middle of the night when everyone is sleeping.

    With police forces downsizing, burglaries are skyrocketing now. These are virtually unstoppable and unsolvable crimes. You're on your own and the police cannot help you.
     
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  4. Specialkayme

    Specialkayme New Member

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    I wasn't aware you could change the combo. That's good to know.

    Part of my concern with buying used isn't only the comfort/disclosure level. But it's the price point, buyer beware, moving issue as well.

    Take this one for example:
    http://raleigh.craigslist.org/spo/4926055177.html

    Decent size, appears to be decent quality, about an hour away from me. Only their asking price is almost the same as new:

    http://ads.midwayusa.com/product/77...pf_ci_google&gclid=CJzgor7QxsQCFdgagQodm3QAqg

    Yeah, I can shop around, haggle, wait, play the craigslist game of massively lowballing someone. But in the end, with all craigslist items I've found I need to be the first to inquire, and the first to show up with cash. That's tough, even with an ITTT program running.

    And even then, assume I take 3 or 4 months and find the right one, assume it isn't defective (and I don't know it), assume I can save $200 off new price. It's alot of work for $200, I have to move it myself, and there is no warranty.

    I don't know, just not sure used is the way to go. If I could get a $1,000 safe for $600, I'd be on it. But most craigslist deals don't work like that. At least from my experience.
     
  5. Specialkayme

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    I still think a 12-20 gun safe will do it. I don't have that many valubles . . . at least ones that will regularly spend time in a safe. Laptops I use every day, just not economical to put it in the safe. Most of my valuables are in stocks, bank accounts, retirement accounts, so on.

    I'd have to do it to the floor joists, but same concept.

    Wife probably wouldn't be ok with a gun under the pillow.

    I've contemplated getting a nightstand gun safe, small one. It'll probably be second or third on the list though.

    I do drive around with a gun in the car, but on me at all times is a little difficult. I go to federal court regularly, so can't carry in there. They frown on empty IWB holsters too (the metal clips set the metal detectors off, and even pulling an empty holster out of your waist line will grant you a strip search almost every time). So it would be down to a pocket pistol while working, left in the desk while I'm in court. A pocket pistol is on my "to get" list though.

    Thanks for the pointers.
     
  6. Shoobee

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    Turn your own pillow so that the open end of the pillow case is towards the middle of the bed.

    Then stuff your pistol into your pillow case under the pillow and all the way over to the far side of your side of the bed. No worries then.

    The pistol will then be on your side, away from her, not pointing at anybody, the pillow will cover the pistol, the pillow case will cover both, and your head will be on the pillow holding everything down so nobody can get to it. This way if you need the gun in the middle of the night you can just reach inside the pillow case for it in complete darkness without making a move.

    As for the car, they make hardened pistol boxes you can bolt into your trunk or under your seat. The trunk is usually harder to break into.
     
  7. jsr5

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    If IWB has those metal easy on off clips then the holster would stay with the pistol in the car. At least mine does when those situations arise. Sounds like new is where you are going then . I'd try the farm and home stores and even wal mart for a good deal. won't be a browing safe but will probably be good enough by your demands.
     
  8. austin92

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    Maverick series from Fort Knox
     
  9. partdeux

    partdeux Well-Known Member

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    Liberty safe! Get the Guntalk discount

    Buy a safe twice as big as you think you need. I'm not a fan of putting ammo in a safe.
     
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    Looked at them all for 2 years. No where is the term "You Get What You Pay For" more applicable than buying a safe.
    I bought the Liberty Lincoln and could not be happier. When you look at whats included they offer great value.
     
  12. Specialkayme

    Specialkayme New Member

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    For me, I just don't think it makes sense to go with a top of the line gun safe. I can get a liberty 24 gun safe, or a Fort Knox safe for $2,500, and I'm sure it's worth every penny of it. But I don't think I need it.

    For me, the fireproof nature of a gun safe is important. The ability to lock it is important too. Having bolted down, and resistant to thieves is important too. But having it impervious to thieves isn't a big deal for me. If a thief walks into my home and finds a gun safe, I'd want a safe that would take an uneducated person 20 or more minutes to open. If it takes him longer, and he has the time to do it, I was sunk anyway. If an educated person can open it in 10 min, I was probably sunk anyway.

    After all, at $2,400 the safe itself would probably be worth more than the contents of the safe (at least for now). So for me, I think I'm going to go lower end. Not low end, but lower end.

    I saw some safes at Dick's Sporting Goods (Field and Stream brand) for $400-600. Which isn't a bad deal really. Although I heard they are just relabeled stack-on's, and not of fantastic quality. I'm going to compare the ones found at Tractor Supply Co. and see how their prices rate before making a decision though.
     
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    If I get another safe it's going to be one I can assemble myself where I want it and move it if I want to myself.

    Such safes are made by Zanotti, Snap Safe and Champion and perhaps others.

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  15. Daoust_Nat

    Daoust_Nat Well-Known Member Supporter

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    If you have not gotten one yet look again at Gander Mountain again. I just bought a Liberty Franklin 27 gun safe. All of their safes are on sale. Like you I have 7 handguns. Though I tell my wife we need 20 more now, it is with a smile. She is afraid I am building an arsenal. Like you I get about one new one a year, so this safe should last me a while before it gets too small.

    I am paying about $1800 for it including FL sales tax and delivery. It has a 1200 degree, 75 minute fire rating according to it's literature.

    I am getting it with burglary in mind, but also I have a 10 month old grandson, and need to lock up the guns as he gets mobile. It is the law here, and a good one.

    Good luck with whatever you select.
     
  16. Thamac15

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    Some of the worst advice I've ever heard. I never post, but this horrible contribution called for an exception. Good grief!
     
  17. deg

    deg Well-Known Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Bolts not only coming out the side(s) of the door but out the top and bottom also, and hidden hinges - but that will be more than $800.
     
  18. Wildcat_Hillbilly

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    I bought a 48 gun Liberty safe for $1100. It's a Fatboy Jr..

    http://www.libertysafesofappalachia.com/safe-fatboy-jr-safes-ps-10.html

    You can find good deals on safes. I did. I haven't seen anyone come within $300 of what I paid for mine. For example Gander Mtn. wants $300 more than what I paid.

    http://www.gandermountain.com/modperl/product/details.cgi?i=438245

    I would suggest a mechanical lock. They are more durable than an electronic. They're cheaper too. They can't have the combination changed so easy though. BTW delivery was included with my safe and at the time I lived about 75 miles from where I bought it. Keep in mind that moving a safe is fairly expensive and leaves behind some bolts in the floor if you bolt it down. My landlord told me I could go ahead and bolt it down where I was at but I wasn't planning on being there long. I hope to move back to the house I own before too long. I'll bolt it down when I get there.

    I know you don't want a safe that big but you can find smaller safe for less money than some seem to think. I have a very good LGS to deal with and that helped me a lot on my purchase. They don't forget that I spend money with them like some of the big box stores do.
     
  19. Dakota1

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    My Canon safe has an electronic lock. It's 20 years old & has never given me any trouble.
     
  20. Wildcat_Hillbilly

    Wildcat_Hillbilly New Member

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    Certainly not all electronic locks will fail too early. But from all I've read they fail quicker on average than mechanical locks.