I'm interested in getting a flintlock musket/shotgun in Canada

Discussion in 'Blackpowder & Musket' started by blackdragon, Jan 14, 2012.

  1. blackdragon

    blackdragon New Member

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    I'm looking for something that will endure shooting and hunting, but not be overly expensive. what would be your choice for a good qualityflintlock musket or shotgun but at the lowest safe price possible?
    I know about the Indian made muskets and such, I'm looking for the most bang for the buck and not something meant to stay on the wall and look pretty. I want something for hunting and target shooting.
     

  2. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    Traditions is suposed to be a budget-friendly brand. I have a little sidelock pistol from them that i really have enjoyed; it was on sale for $150. The flintlock long guns will be a good bit more.

    PA-Pellet-50-cal-flintlock-select-hardwood-blued-Information


    I'm not up for flint yet, but this caplock looks like a real steal to me: Hawken .50 Caliber Percussion Black Laminate/Nickel-Information
    Check out the Special Offers area, though i didn't see any flintlocks.


    Why Flint over caps? It seems like the flint people are more into the nostalgia and replica side of things than the cap-poppers.
     
  3. blackdragon

    blackdragon New Member

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    I was asking about muskets, not rifles. muskets have smoothbores, rifles have rifled bores.
     
  4. KAB

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    Not true

    Muskets have rifled bores too , if they are rifled muskets ;)
     
  5. ofitg

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    Blackdragon, about 15 years ago I bought a .54 flintlock Lyman Trade Rifle and a local gunsmith reamed it out to .62 smoothbore for me. He charged me $150. It was cheaper than buying a musket..... and I could buy another .54 rifled barrel if I ever wanted it.
     
  6. blackdragon

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    a musket is a smooth bore, a rifle has a rifled bore. the term "rifled musket" is a oxymoron and only used since the name "rifle" was unfamiliar to the troops, so they simply mashed the name together.
     
  7. blackdragon

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    well, this sounds interesting. that would make your "musket" a little bigger than 20 gauge. nice. I might look into this, thank you.
     
  8. blackdragon

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    PS, I don't know how you delete posts on this site, so bear with the non-multi-quoted responses.
     
  9. KAB

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    Multi posted unquoted responces

    I will pressume you did not buy your Indian CARBINE Musket then if this thread is still going on ?
    Or did you , and then send it back ?
    Hopefull you will keep us posted when you find what you like .
     
  10. blackdragon

    blackdragon New Member

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    no, I'm still contemplating my options, I'm not interested in buying a piece of garbage, but I'm also looking for the lowest price possible for a hunting gun.
    on a side note, anyone know a good diameter for patches to be used in a .62 caliber/20 gauge musket?
     
  11. ofitg

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    Blackdragon, I've been pressing my own wads out of crumpled-up aluminum foil. I imagine you could make a similar die using metal tubing - for instance, onlinemetals.com sells brass tubing which is 0.75 OD, 0.62 ID

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    Here's a close-up of the Lyman's muzzle. There's plenty of metal left in that octagonal barrel, it's still pretty heavy

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  12. blackdragon

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    thanks for the post, I've been searching the web more and I finding that to load roundballs into a musket, you're looking for a more like 1"-1 1/2" round patches. the Lyman Deerrstalker does look like a good candidate for boring out to .62 caliber smoothbore and having a shorter barrel(24" long, perfect for my purposes)
     
  13. ofitg

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    Oops, I misunderstood. I thought you were asking about wads for shot loads. Please excuse the brain fart.

    I've never shot a round ball in this gun. I would probably look for a ball 0.600-0.605 in diameter, and then find some suitable cloth thickness to fit properly. When I have loaded round balls in other smoothbores, I draped the cloth over the muzzle, thumb-pressed the ball down into the barrel, and then cut off the cloth which was still hanging out of the muzzle.
     
  14. c3shooter

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    That is the purpose of a patch knife. Thickness of patch is more critical than diameter.
     
  15. blackdragon

    blackdragon New Member

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    what I want are pre-made patches for quick reloading, no need for a patch knife. what would you say that you need for a patch? 1" round?
     
  16. blackdragon

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    I'm going to revive this thread.
    I'm still looking for a inexpensive smoothbore flintlock musket in the .62-.75 caliber range and of shooting quality so I can use it for hunting. I'd like it to have a short barrel(28" or less) for use in thick woodland and possibly some clay shooting, I want to be able to swing that barrel around quickly. also, the longer barrels on authentic muskets are a bit long and clumsy for my uses. anyone have any ideas for a supplier for such a gun for under $800? I don't mind if it's a little over that. but obviously, the lower the better without sacrificing it's reliability to shoot safely, I'm not interested in getting myself killed for a couple hundred dollars. also, would you mind to enlighten me on how wide in diameter I would have to make a pre-made patch for such a musket? would 1.5" be good enough?
    and finally, I'm in Canada, hopefully someone can help me now.
     
  17. texaswoodworker

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    I'd check out cabela's website, they usually have a good selection of muzzleloaders (The Brown Bess was one, but IIRC, they are expensive). Some of them are muskets, but most are rifles. You could have the rifles reamed if you want as previously stated.

    Quick question, Why do you want a smoothbore for hunting? They are not known for their accuracy. Just curious.
     
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  18. mountainman13

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    Cabelas does offer some good sporterized bp guns. Thompson center and Dixie gun works would also be places to check. As far as your question on patches I recommend you do some research on handling bp guns. The size of the patch is much less important that the thickness. Typically you get roundball that's .005 under size and then use a .010-.015 patch. The truth of the matter though is your gun will tell you what it likes. You need to experiment.

    And always remember powder patch ball and don't palm the ramrod that's how people lose hands. If you have any more questions feel free to contact me.
     
  19. blackdragon

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    as for reaming out the barrel? I live in a very rural area and I don't believe the local gunsmith has the tools to ream out the barrel, so I would go that route if I had the choice, I'll look into it more.
    as for why I want it? I want to use it as the original muskets were made for, to shoot nearly anything you can find out of them. birdshot, buckshot, buck and ball and single ball loads. I've shot a musket before, but it was a friend's and he wasn't willing to sell it, so I'm looking for one myself.

    thanks