I'm choosing to do business with a GFZ! :O

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by Tackleberry1, Jul 27, 2012.

  1. Tackleberry1

    Tackleberry1 New Member

    6,165
    0
    0
    Those of you who caught my thread last week titled "Confronted by an idiot" may have caught that I'm in the process of helping my mother move.

    I am actually moving her into an Assisted Living Facility because she can no longer seem to keep her medications straight.

    While going through the business agreement with the facilities GM we came across a notice to residents that no weapons of any kind are allowed to be possessed by residents.

    There are not any "gun buster" signs on the doors, nothing posted anywhere else, and the language was limited to residents only.

    Now, I took possession of my mothers 1 handgun many months ago because frankly, her parkinsons makes opening a lock box impossible and with my children visiting her it was just not acceptable to have a loaded .38 in a dresser drawer.

    After some consideration I realized they were not putting any restrictions on my mother that I had not already exercised and they were not banning me from CCW while visiting so I went ahead with the lease/contract.

    Thoughts?

    Tack
     
  2. JD1969

    JD1969 New Member

    748
    0
    0
    It's not really a GFZ if they allow you to carry your weapon in. I hope for the best for your Mom and family.
     

  3. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

    7
    1
    0
    Tack, i am thinking this probably has to do with the safety of the residents and not really them trying to restrict or deprive anyone of their rights. many of the residents may be in the beginning stages of allhziemers, dementia and various other ailments that could put others at risk if they were to possess a firearm. if that is truly the case, i underatand and wish these elderly people had not come the condition they are in, but people get old and infirmed, it's just part of life that many of us will have to go through at sometime in the future if we live that long.
     
  4. Tackleberry1

    Tackleberry1 New Member

    6,165
    0
    0
    True...

    Having taken care of her for the last 9 months and understand where she is "mentally" well, I just can't seem to find fault with there policy. Spend anytime in these facilities amongst the resident and you quickly realize the risk...

    This is honestly the first measure of gun control I've encountered that I agree with and that scares me. :eek:

    Quick...I need BKT to slap me! Or maybee OPAWW could insult my cockroach again!

    Tack
     
  5. mountainman13

    mountainman13 New Member

    11,488
    0
    0
    If it makes you feel better I have this gun because we had to take it away from my grandfather and he never made it to assisted living.
     

    Attached Files:

  6. Tackleberry1

    Tackleberry1 New Member

    6,165
    0
    0
    QFT...

    My thoughts exactly. I'm just struggling with that fact that I've actually found a measure of gun control that's failing to piss me off...Honestly, I did not know that was possible?

    Tack
     
  7. Tackleberry1

    Tackleberry1 New Member

    6,165
    0
    0
    Come on now Mountain Man...you took that from your Gramps so one of your deadbeat cousins couldn't pawn it...Right?

    Really dude, if you didn't trust his judgement all you had to do was unload it and replace his black powder with coffee grounds...;)

    Don't get me wrong...protecting family treasures from our idiot relatives is a perfectly legitimate reason for securing it. :)

    Tack
     
  8. mountainman13

    mountainman13 New Member

    11,488
    0
    0
    It was a bit of both. He made threats so we acted.
     
  9. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

    7
    1
    0
    Tack, five years before my grandmother passed away, my father had to take her driver's license away, about three years before he removed her shotgun from the house, and two years before she passed he finally had to put her in a nursing home. he hated to do it, but with allhziemers in the advancing stages, none of us were able to take care of her as we just didn't know how to handle it. people get old, and there's just not a thing to stop it from happening. i don't see it as gun control, nor more than we see not letting an immature child not handle a firearm, until they are capable of understanding it's dangers if used incorrectly. just a reverse of going from too young for guns to too old for them due to safety.
     
  10. Tackleberry1

    Tackleberry1 New Member

    6,165
    0
    0
    That makes sence...and justifies the confiscation...;)

    My moms parkensons got to the point where watching her hold the TV remote made you wonder if she could keep 2 out of 6 shots on a 4x8 sheet of plywood at 10' :eek:

    She's honestly more of a threat to bystanders/neighbors than she would be to a threat.

    It's a shame too because she used to be a pretty good shot.

    Tack
     
  11. fmj

    fmj New Member

    3,459
    0
    0
    Dont worry about it Tack...if you have sense, (no such thing as "common" sense, you either have sense, or you dont) you realize this is a sensible thing so your not getting angry and agree with it.

    As my daddy once said to me, when i raised some hell with him about he and my youngest playing while i was sweating my testes off trying to get some odds and ends wrapped up at dads place.

    He smiled that lazy smile at me and said, "once a man, twice a boy. Now get back to work "MAN". The boys have playing to do." He then loaded the fishing poles and the boy in the truck and left me standing there sweating....:cool:
     
  12. Vikingdad

    Vikingdad New Member

    14,922
    0
    0
    When my father-in-law was getting old and losing his will to live I moved all of the guns out of the house except for one shotgun, and I removed the firing pin on that. After that he asked me several times to bring him a gun so he could end it all.

    Many old folks get suicidal. That is probably why the policy.
     
  13. Tackleberry1

    Tackleberry1 New Member

    6,165
    0
    0
    Suicide, mental decline, pain medications...all good reasons for ^^THIS^^ policy.

    I feel better for not being upset by it and appreciate all of your feedback.
     
  14. Badshot320

    Badshot320 New Member

    256
    0
    0
    Its so hard to watch someone that you looked up to growing up to become dependant on YOU to take care of them whether(is this a real word?) they like it or not. The really hard part is taking care of them and them still feeling an amount of independance. When a human being has no dignity or feels like they have none it becomes a choir to exist. Im sure those rules are in effect for the general populations safety and well being and should not be taken personal. I feel your pain putting her there, I recently lost my granfather after taking care of things at home instead of putting him in a home. I`ve seen things man! He couldnt use the bathroom by himself and him being a WW2 Vet he told me several times while laughing that I was the biggest man he ever met. Hats off to the care givers, my granpop was a handfull and I couldnt have done it for a stranger.

    Badshot
     
  15. dog2000tj

    dog2000tj New Member

    8,176
    2
    0
    Our family had a similar situation involving our dad, except it wasn't firearms related. In 2009 he had a massive heart attack, within 6mos he developed Alzheimer and dementia that has since set on fast and hard :(

    The problem was/is he is physically fit as a horse and for a while insisted on driving and going down to the garage to work with his tools. I have to tell you it was a hard thing to do taking his van away from him, then taking away any and all tools that he could have hurt himself with.

    In the end you are doing what you need to do to protect your mother, even from herself. I wouldn't consider that a form of control, more like compassion and concern for a loved one :)
     
  16. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

    21,332
    178
    63
    It is never an easy course to take- am going through that now with my lady- but there are times when you do the things that need to be done.

    Have a friend that is a gunsmith- now and again someone brings him a gun to remove the firing pin. Elderly relative, dementia. He refuses to take payment for that- puts the firing pins in storage, tells them to bring him the gun when they want it restored to working order.

    Years back I was chief LEO for a hospital, and wrote the weapons policy. Visitor- anywhere but the psych unit- and you had a CCW, no problem. PATIENT? We will write you a gun reciept, and store it in our gun locker- or- if you are a LEO, hand receipt it to your supervisor- but patients did not carry in our facility. Unable to secure weapon, different reactions to drugs, etc. And YES, I WAS responsible for your safety while you were our patient.

    In addition to my officers, we had some employees that carried. They would drop their sidearms off at our office, pick them up on way out. No problem.
     
  17. Vikingdad

    Vikingdad New Member

    14,922
    0
    0
    Very sorry to hear about your mom though. I have been going through htis myself with my own mother recently, but she is fortunate that my brother was able to have her move in with him (this is the first time he has taken care of her, boy is he surprised at how hard it is!).

    I hope you were able to find her a place that she likes and has a great staff. That is all very important to keep her quality of life.
     
  18. Tackleberry1

    Tackleberry1 New Member

    6,165
    0
    0
    We took her our two top choices for tours and meals and signed her up at the one she liked the best. It's a little farther from home but not much and the food was superb which is very important at her stage of life.

    Both came highly recommended by 2 local nurses I know personally so it really came down to what she liked the best.

    She's very luck my father left her with 2 pensions plus social security...^^THIS^^ stuff is scary spendy!

    Tack
     
  19. Vikingdad

    Vikingdad New Member

    14,922
    0
    0
    Yeah, I hear that! Before I knew my brother was planning on taking mom in I was researching out places where she could move to (not assisted care, but senior living facilities- basically apartments for seniors) that was closer to me since I was driving 45 minutes each way to take care of her in her house. The way it turned out with her moving in with my brother is much better though. Well, better for her but maybe not my brother....
     
  20. Tackleberry1

    Tackleberry1 New Member

    6,165
    0
    0
    Sounds like your brother wanted to step in an be the Hero to keep her out of a senior care facility?

    Poor guy has no Idea what he's in for. Our lives have been on hold and cometely rotating around moms needs since last October. :eek:

    This upcoming move will mean as much to our sanity as it will to her care.

    Tack