Illinois to require Private Firearm Transaction Approvals as of Jan 1st

Discussion in 'Illinois Gun Forum' started by CGS, Dec 30, 2013.

  1. CGS

    CGS New Member

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    Don't forget guys as of January 1st 2014 if you sell a firearm in Illinois you are required to check that the Firearm Owner Identification card is still valid.

    This is from their press release today:
    Effective Jan. 1, all private firearm transactions in Illinois must be approved by the Illinois State Police. Any non-federally licensed firearm dealer who desires to transfer or sell a firearm will be required to contact the Illinois State Police and provide the purchaser’s Firearm Owners Identification Card number. The Illinois State Police will determine the validity of the FOID Card and Issue an approval number which will be valid for 30 days from the date of issue. The seller is permitted to transfer the firearm to the purchaser after obtaining the approval number and waiting 24 hours for a rifle/shotgun or 72 hours for a pistol.

    A private firearm transaction approval number can be requested 24/7 from the Illinois State Police preferably through the ISP website at http://www.isp.state.il.us/foid/foidp2p.cfm, or by calling 217 524-3847 during normal business hours.
     
  2. Eagle1803

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    Here we go again, Illinois messing with the citizens...
     

  3. CGS

    CGS New Member

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    We've known this was coming for quite some time since it was passed months ago... but yep always messing with us.
     
  4. chloeshooter

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    so much for armslist.com in the Land of Lincoln
     
  5. scottmac

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    My recollection is that you don't have to make the check, but if you do, you are no longer liable (criminal or civil) if it is later used in a crime.
    If you don't do the check, you become part of the investigative chain.
     
  6. Gatoragn

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    I-39, 70, and many other major highways will get y'all out of IL. Heck, I'll sell my I pass to you, if you want to move to IN or WI, I don't need it anymore. ;)
     
  7. wittmeba

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    Sounds like they will find someone to blame even if it isn't the right person.
     
  8. CGS

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    What's wrong with arms list? All this requires is one additional state in the process. Currently if I buy or sell a firearm in Illinois I have to check to see that the other party has a valid FOID card. All this requires is that I keep a record of it by contacting the ISP to make sure the FOID card is not revoked or suspended.
     
  9. CGS

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    yeah my lay man interpretation of the law is while it is a requirement, there is no penalty for not doing so. Having said that there could be civil penalties if you sell a firearm to someone with a suspended or revoked foid. I for one will comply with the law for my own protection.

    gatoragn, I'd be right there with you if my wife would let me move. If I weren't backwards on my house and investment property, etc... I'm stuck here. :(
     
  10. Shade

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    I agree, now I have to update my CCL slides again... damn...

    The youngest graduates HS in 2020 shortly there after; I will be on I-80, 90
    or 94 heading west shortly there after. SWMBO is on board, I purchased my
    house in '95 so I am good on the sale side of things hell I might have it paid
    off by then!
     
  11. chloeshooter

    chloeshooter New Member

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    'one additional' anything = going the wrong direction
     
  12. CGS

    CGS New Member

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    Yeah sure, but it's not gone yet.
     
  13. CGS

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    LOL I have prepared myself for constant updates of my slides through the next few years.
     
  14. Rocky7

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    This sounds very familiar. It is one small step away from full-blown gun registration requirements.

    None of this crap worked in Canada. None of it - not licensing gun owners, registration of firearms, requiring a license check to transfer a firearm, magazine limits, prescribed "safe" storage laws, ..... none of it improved our homicide rates, contrary to promises and assurances made when our gun control laws were ratcheted up, year after year.

    It's all been a stupid, expensive, draconian, bureaucratic waste of time. That's not just my opinion. It's been proved:

    https://nfa.ca/news/canadian-firearms-legislation-and-effects-homicide-0

    There are other international studies which came to the same conclusions. Illinois will not be any different.

    [​IMG]
     
  15. Shade

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    Me too, btw, the online checking is not a bad thing, it takes the onus off the
    seller and provides a level of CYA. I ran one on myself yesterday, worked
    well enough.

    Now getting rid of FOID altogether would be an improvement.
     
  16. Rocky7

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    The only "registry" that makes sense is a registry of persons who are not allowed to own a firearm - by Court Order - because they are serious criminals or they are nuts. I would not object to having to run a check against such a registry.

    However, the scheme described by the OP sounds like a registry of the law-abiding. That is wrong. It will not work. It will not reduce crime one iota. The idea has been tried over and over an over and it does not produce the apple pie that is always promised. It will do one thing and one thing only - it will enable eventual confiscation.
     
  17. Shade

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    I do agree with you; and being Canadian you have experience with that system...
     
  18. Rocky7

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    Indeed. I've been active on the issue here for years. I've heard all the apple pie claptrap that is used to sell these schemes. The same propaganda is recycled internationally.

    It will end in confiscation. Short barreled pistols first. They will be labelled "Saturday Night Specials" or something like that and then taken with great gusto and fanfare. Big Police will never miss an opportunity to puff up for the camera next to an "arsenal" all laid out on tables. Next will be the stubby black semi-autos because nobody "needs" them and gangstas use them to commit crimes. Blah, blah blah.

    In all of that, violent crime and homicide rates will either be unaffected or will rise somewhat.

    The Gun Zombies know all this. They don't care - because it's not really about public safety or crime rates. After years of effort, we have pretty well debunked their claims in this country that gun control reduces murder and violent crime. Now, we more often hear claims that our gun laws reduced suicide by gun. WTF do I care how somebody offs themselves? Why is it better for society that we make them use a rope? Furthermore, why do we put up with this never-ending kaleidoscope of justifications for gun control laws that don't work? If they don't reduce murder and violent crime rates, why didn't we just repeal the entire mess?

    I can just about guarantee you that the same leadership that was/is behind gun control fantasies in Canada and Australia and Britain and elsewhere are working with their compadres in the U.S. It is the same bunch that has been pushing the U.N. Arms Treaty. They are creepy people and not to be underestimated. Don't give an inch. Not_one_inch.
     
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  19. Rocky7

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    [​IMG]

    And just in case anybody thinks I am avoiding a comparison of our murder rates:

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