Illinois gun laws

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by aandabooks, Aug 18, 2011.

  1. aandabooks

    aandabooks New Member

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    As I've been reading the other thread on California and its gun laws, it has been mentioned a few times there that they in line with or Illinois might be worse for gun ownership.

    Can someone tell me what makes Illinois so bad? I grew up in Illinois and with the exception of 1 year of my 36 years have lived in this state. The one year was spent in Northern Nevada and I wasn't as interested in guns as I am now.

    Possibly it is that I am so used to the way that Illinois does things in regards to guns that I am semi-unaware of how bad it really is? Someone please enlighten me.

    I know that we in Illinois have these things different from other states:

    FOID card-$10/10 year expiration-have to have one to handle a gun in a store or transport in vehicle. Don't technically have to have one to own a gun. If I let mine expire, they aren't going to show up the next day and take my guns. I did let mine lapse on accident a couple years ago and it was no big deal.

    1 day wait on long guns/3 days on pistols. I know other states have no waiting period.

    We have no CCW and that really pisses me off.

    We have no magazine size restrictions/folding stock or specific weapons that aren't allowed based on looks that I'm aware of. I think Class III weapons are allowed with the proper permits but I have never been rich enough to worry about looking into it.

    So what else is there that is allowed in other states that I'm not getting here in Illinois?
     
  2. BigByrd47119

    BigByrd47119 New Member

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    Really? That's insane! If you want an idea of what a state should be like in regard to firearms ownership and purchase, look into Arizona. Essentially, many members here read the Second Amendment at face value, which I also agree with.

    Shall not be infringed is a big part of that. In my opinion, any regulation is in effect an infringement on my Second Amendment right. I'm not saying that the legitimate crazies should be allowed to purchase firearms, but even if they did, assuming everyone else had one as well, the crazies would be dealt with when they showed themselves as such.

    Others will be along to share wisdom and knowledge I believe...
     

  3. aandabooks

    aandabooks New Member

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    The application to get a FOID card issued is essentially the same as the application that you fill out everytime you buy a gun at a liscensed dealer. If you can't pass the application/backround check to buy a gun, you're not going to pass the same checks to get issued a FOID card.

    I agree that the FOID card is a pain in the butt to remember to reregister and if you don't send in a good enough photo they take the one from the DMV data base. It averages to the cost of $1 per year.
     
  4. winds-of-change

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  5. jonbouy

    jonbouy New Member

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    IL-A-NOID Gun Laws

    They are horrible by comparison with most any other state. Chicago is it's own nightmare. I don't live there so I am not completely familiar with their laws, but I know it took court action to make having a gun in your home legal. Now you have to register them and many are not registerable. Court action again is necessary as Chicago has banned ranges.
    Illinois residents must have a FOID to touch a gun or ammunition. If you are at the range you can shoot without one, if you are under the instruction of someone who has one, this took some legal wrangling to get.
    If you have access to firearms or ammuntion and no valid FOID, it is a felony. Someone with a valid FOID must have control of the firearms. No they won't come and take your guns away, but if the police come to your home for some other reason, and they find you have firearms and no valid FOID, you will be arrested (depending on the LEO of course) and this has happended.
    Illinois' main trouble is Chicago controls the state and they are very anti-gun (and crooked). The results of that show up in the news regularly with plenty of shootings and murders. Of course there is a TOTAL ban on carrying firearms for self-defense. The last of the states to have some kind of right to carry (RTC) law. But, were workin on that too. Join the ISRA or Illinoiscarry to help the effort.
    Some of the laws aren't so bad such as transportation and Illinois does not need a Castle Doctorine as there is no duty to retreat, but it is a real patch work of good laws that are in the minority. That's my opinion.
     
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  6. usmcprofessional

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    uhh, does this sound as batsh*t insane to anyone else or just me? its like an ID card for you types. got your FOID card? "yea its right here" ohh, your one of them people. even if that is the only true thing, thats enough to not make me look at illinois on a map let alone go.
     
  7. winds-of-change

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    You got it right, Jon. I live in DeKalb County, Illinois.


    Yes, I agree it's not the best situation but really, I don't have much of a problem with it. I am a law abiding citizen, I have a FOID card as the law in Illinois stipulates and I legally own two guns. I do not live in "The City" but in a small farming community about 50 miles west of Chicago.

    Now, Chicago proper is where the problem is. Guns are further restricted there so the only people who have guns are the "thugs". They either steal guns from law abiding gun owners or they buy them illegally. Until Chicago makes it easier for the law abiding citizens to own guns, the thugs are going to be killing the innocent every night, as is happening right now.
     
  8. NC1760

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    With all due respect to your home state... There it is!! It's (soon to be) the only "No Issue" state left, despite the will of it's people. Illinois, Wisconsin, and the District of Columbia are No-Issue jurisdictions (although Wisconsin allows open carry without a permit whereas Illinois and the District of Columbia forbid both open and concealed carry). While technically May-Issue under state law, Hawaii, Maryland, and New Jersey and certain cities and counties within California and New York are No-Issue jurisdictions in practice. Wisconsin will become Shall-Issue in November 2011.

    A Federal lawsuit brought by the NRA and several other gun-ownership is currently challanging the Illinois government's stand. I have a LOT of friends and business associates up there... I wish them luck. If all else fails, I've told them they can always move down to where I am in Nawth Cackalakee!! We'll always welcome gun-loving Yankees looking to live free.
     
  9. Mack Bolan

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    when i spoke with any gun store owners while the chicago handgun ban was being overturned, what i found most of them would tell me is.."well, no real increase in business, whoever lives in chicago and wanted or wants a gun, has one all ready."


    do you think the chief of police (which was Weis at the time) even looked at my required C&R letter to him :rolleyes:

    i almost wonder if anyone did, but i aint complaining.

    thank God i went in on the investment property my dad got in AZ, thats my trump card out of this city's towering dilemnas....;)
     
  10. jonbouy

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    I hope so

    The ISRA and the NRA, SAF and Illinoiscarry have two suits, one each, against Illinois for their total ban. HB148 was shot down recently thus we end up in court with two law suits. Yes, you have states that do not and have not issued, but they have something on the books, which IL does not, total ban.
    I am hoping it is coming. I think cracks are beginning to form, just don't know if they are enough of a crack in the machine yet or not. I think the FOID card would be good if it would suffice for concealed carry! Why not? Other than that I think it is silly and really only serves to harass gun owners. I don't think it has kept a single gun from a felon. Waiting periods are similar. I wait 1 day for long guns, 3 days for pistols. Why? So I don't order a gun in haste and shoot someone? I have gun cabinets full, why would I buy a new one. I just ordered a gun from Ruger, waited 4 weeks to get it to the FFL holder. Now I have to wait 3 more days to pick it up. It's just harassment in my mind. Sounds like something Cuba would have.
    Anyway I am hoping some of this changes. If a RTC law is passed I am sure it will have a bunch of hoops to go through etc, but at least something will be on the books and you can work with that.
     
  11. vincev

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    Your used to what seems "normal" Just look next door at Indiana.There is no silly cooling off period for firearms.Illinois is the only state with a FOID card.Indiana has a carry permit for life.Indiana does not charge you a yearly fee as Chicago does for every firearm you own.Chicago does not allow gun shops to open.Chicago does not allow handgun ownership.Whew,I'm tired.Move to Indiana where people enjoy freedom.Take care aandabooks
     
  12. winds-of-change

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    Yes, I understand what you are saying. But I do believe you are confusing Chicago with the rest of the State of Illinois. In the county and small farming town where I live, none of what you mentioned here applies to me, except the state law in regards to a FOID card. There are State of Illinois Rules and Regulations then Chicago narrowed their laws and regulations even further than the rest of the state.

    Just saying, one can live in Illinois yet not be under the rules of Chicago. :)
     
  13. Dennis845

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    Do I miss Illinois?

    After 38 years living in the arm pit of Cahokia, IL., got fed up with the governments liberal attitude on second amendment rights and moved to a shall issue state. Lived in a very modest house in a high crime area and a small lot. The last check I wrote to St. Clair county for property tax was $4,000.00. P/U truck license plates were $107.00 per year. They taxed me right out of the state. No wonder they don't want you to own firearms and protect yourself. By-the-way, my house sold for 50k. Like getting a big pay raise here walking out the door with a 1911, .45 cal. straped on in the 8:00 position. :D
     
  14. aandabooks

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    I see what you guys are saying in regards to the FOID card system. It is what I started with and I guess I am just used to it. Everyone still fills out a form purchase a gun no matter what state they live in.

    Last session of the Illinois Legislature a CCW bill made it out of committee and got voted down due to the Chicago politicians. I have some hope for CCW. I don't own a handgun but believe that we Illinoisans should have the same rights as everyone else in the country.

    What I'm not hearing here, is that there are guns out there on the market that people in other states are allowed to own and I'm not. I've never seen anything advertised in a magazine/show that I can't get in Illinois if I have the money. I do see alot of things that say they will ship anywhere but California.
     
  15. BioInclined

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    I'm new here but been researching the laws in Ill. to what i can own. I do know there are some limitations, now this is from memory and may only apply to city of Chicago counties(Cook) but i read...
    No full auto rifles only semi-auto. I think they it can only be semi, not select it as an option.
    handgun mags only can have 15(maybe 12) or less
    Those were 2 that stuck out to me.
    Than there was, no pistol grip on shotguns, no front fore-grip on shotguns, laser sights illegal, no home owner can have rubber bullets,slugs or sand bag ammo, one in the chamber is an additional charge/fine...
    I been searching a lot but no site seems to have a collective writing on all the laws, sad really.
     
  16. fmj

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    and THIS very sentiment is one of the BIGGEST problems!!

    FOID is simply registration. Its also defacto tax and IL isnt the only state to have it, MI is the same. The Fed tried it here and we here in the free state of IN thumbed our noses at the Fed. So the Fed cracked down and withheld roads funds and now our CCWs are not proper for us to use to get our handguns. Twas a time, you saw the gun you wanted, pulled out your CCW filed your paperwork and out you went.

    IN has LIFETIME CCW for $60. If you want to transport and shoot, go ahead. See there is already laws on the books stating that if your felon (and you WILL be flagged in the system as such) your not supposed to have ammo or weapons anywho....so why harrass the LAW ABIDING CITIZEN!

    Lastly, check the crime rates in IN then compare them to the UNfree state of IL!

    Keep it up and keep "not caring" over there in IL....your HIGH tax rates and HIGH crimes are driving businesses to IN in a mass evacuation. We can use the jobs and tax revenue!

    Thanks!
     
  17. CourtJester

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    Illinois is the Nazi state linked firm to California. I lived there for about 3 years. Their gun laws are unbelievable. I lived right on the Indiana boarder and hunted in Indiana only so I always got my ammo in Indiana. Like showing a card to buy ammo is going to save the world in some way.... Come on...
    Their gun laws are the reason Chicago is so dangerous.
     
  18. fmj

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    NO NO NO Chitcago is the safest place on earth....just like DC and Commiefornica. Just ask Paul Helmke and the Brady bunch, they will tell you the truth!
     
  19. beaniemac

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    Illinois is awful. Especially if u live in chicago as I do. for illinois, u just need a FOID card to get a gun. that takes like 2 months to process and get back.

    but if u live in the city of chicago, its a lot worse. not only do u have to have a FOID. but u have to have a CFP (chicago firearms permit). and u are only allowed to get one of those, if u take a course. then after paying for that, u have to pay another 100 bucks to the city to get the actual permit after showing proof u went to the firearms class. sh*t is ridiculous. then after u buy a gun, u have 5 days to take it to ONE place in the city between 830 and 330 to register the gun for 15 bucks. luckily, I'm not far from the place u register at, but for people who aren't, its total bullsh*t. by the way, this is ONLY so u can have a gun in your own HOUSE!!!

    and u know whats the kicker. all this time, it took me to get the legal gun and what not, my house got broken into, and I caught the guys stealing my sh*t, and I had no gun!!!

    total bullsh*t. I can't wait til we hopefully get concealed carry out here!

    its so weird. I'm a social liberal, but a fiscal conservative. I totally believe in abortions and gay marriage, but hate bailouts and wasteful spending.

    btw, I just bought a glock 23 last night, and I had to fill out a sh*tload of paperwork plus do another background check. I mean its not like the FOID background check I paid for, and the Chicago police fingerprinting I did to get a CFP wasn't enough tho.....
     
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