Illinois girlscouts learn to shoot.

Discussion in 'Training & Safety' started by robbo60, Apr 26, 2009.

  1. robbo60

    robbo60 New Member

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    Girl scout troop 91 of New Lenox, Il (my home) contacted the Allied Illinois Markswomen, and one of their NRA certified instructors came out and held a safety course for eight of the scouts at a nearby Sportsman's club. The girls then got to fire 10 shots from different .22 cal. pistols at paper targets. It was well recieved. I'm real proud of troop 91. My own daughter has been knockin' down pins with a .357 since she was 14. The full newspaper article can be read at newlenoxpatriot.com Much thanks to the Allied Illinois Markswomen for donating their time and the use of range, guns and ammunition to Troop 91 !!!
     
  2. Jo da Plumbr

    Jo da Plumbr New Member

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    That's a nice newspeice for a change, thanks.

    I actually learned to shoot 22 riflles and archery at a YMCA summer camp when I was about ten. I'll bet that's not PC these days.
     

  3. Spanz

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    Well, thats nice.

    A more practical thing would have been to let them shoot some bolt action 22 rifles, and get good enough at it to want to come back and learn more. The loud noise from the pistols, and the girl's inability to score well on accuracy with them, probably only scared them off on their first time out.
     
  4. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    Good. The more young people that are properly introduced to firearms, the better.
     
  5. robbo60

    robbo60 New Member

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    Spanz, The girls shot Successfully and were proud to bring home their targets. One of them even said, "I have found my sport, and can't wait to do this again". How loud is a .22 pistol with headphones on anyway? :confused: Excited not scared, I'd say.
     
  6. Spanz

    Spanz New Member

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    get a clue. They would be MUCH happier with learning how to fire something they can control accurately. Also, they would be much happier being trained on somethng they can own and fire on their own. Not too many girlscouts are going to be able to buy a handgun for themselves.
     
  7. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    They were introduced to handguns, they fired .22 pistols, they had fun.

    Spanz, I don't get your attitude. If it's such a big deal to you, offer your services to the Girl Scouts in your area and do things your way.
     
  8. hunter Joe

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    Yes let's not nit-pick here. The girls were introduced to firearms safety and had fun, that's all that matters here.

    In the thirteen years I have been teaching hunter safety I have been privileged to teach many young people shooting skills as well as safety. As long as you don't over-gun a child, therefore hurt them, they all leave with smiles on their faces. Any 22 cal. firearm is a good starting point for any child or new shooter.

    On field day we use .22 cal, 410 cal shotguns, 20ga. shotguns, and for the older students we will let them shoot 12 ga. auto loaders if they are so inclined.

    The worst thing you can do to a new shooter of any age is hurt them with too much gun.
     
  9. Gojubrian

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    There is nothing to look down on about this, mr.negative. :) How many girlscouts can go buy a bolt-action or any firearm for that matter?

    This is a positive firearm experience they will take into their adulthood. My fiance' recounts shooting with her grandfather when she was a little girl as a positive and fun experience. They will grow up and hopefully become advocates for the 2nd A!!

    Good for their leadership for having the insight to 'pass the baton'. :cool:
     
  10. easterner123

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    I remember doing something similar (though not in the girl scouts, seeing as I am a male). my old rod and gun club had youth day. we would fish in an overcrowded pond and two people would catch something, then we would eat, have a raffle and hit the range. We had a rifle shoot (50 meters with single shot .22s) then the skeet shoot, which i usually won. These types of things hooked me on shooting and the outdoors in general
     
  11. canebrake

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    Guys, Rome is burning and you are arguing over what tune to play on the fiddle!

    Celebrate this positive firearm press release and see if there is something you can do in your home town.

    Just think what the little nobomaites will say when they run into a safety trained, positive firearm attitude girl scout on the play ground!

    This is brilliant! [​IMG]
     
  12. Spanz

    Spanz New Member

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    Thats a good point. Any positive news is good, and getting a whole troop shooting is really outstanding! No questions about it.

    My concern is mainly getting the girls out to the range and shooting REGULARLY. Handgun below 18 years of age is dicey, because:

    http://www.lcav.org/content/minimum_age_purchase_possess.pdf

    "Federal law...prohibits possession of a handgun or handgun ammunition...under 18

    Federal law provides no minimum age for possession of long guns or long gun ammunition"

    Of course, there are often state laws too, but in general a long gun is something a teenager can have and take to the gun range for target practice or the forest in back of the house for hunting.

    Also, teenagers nowadays want some instant gratification. It is hard to hit a target with a pistol, and relatively easy to do so with a rifle. It seems that starting with the rifle, getting them hooked, and later graduating to pistol is the thing to do.

    I recently coached a teenager, and she had some real trouble figuring out the correct sight picture for iron sights on a pistol. But she picked up the iron sights on the rifle just fine. I think they are just a little more stable, and require less concentration.

    Opinions vary, though.
     
  13. WomenofCaliber

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    It's so nice to read some good news! :D
     
  14. Dillinger

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    Quoted for the Truth right there.....

    Concentrate on the positive - We have another 3.85 years to be beat over the head into negative appeasement. :rolleyes:

    JD
     
  15. robbo60

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    Thanks to all. I AM trying to find and use positive rays of light. Especially here in occupied Illinois. This state has a culture of corruption and some of the highest taxes in the nation. We have a mayor in Chicago that blames everything from traffic jams to snowstorms on guns and we need to build a prison wing just for our governors. Don't forget where our president and his gangster pals are from either. I will continue to fight the good fight any way I can.
     
  16. canebrake

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    I agree with you in general but all new shooters need to be introduced to the handgun. If the objective is to provide education, safety and ultimately personal defense the handgun is the firearm of choice.

    I find that sight picture as the single most difficult skill to instill in a new shooter. A difficult subject yes, but if approached properly, one that can be taught in a rather short time. Best done using handguns with modern sights.

    Your comment on instant gratification is well made! With that in mind you MUST start the new shooter off at close range. This is much easier at an indoor range which provides a small amount of privacy.

    I started my daughter at ~3M or 10 feet. Success breeds success! We started with my 1914 Mauser in 32 ACP. She was bored after one mag. Let’s face it, the 32 is used to piss-off assailants rather than drop them! She put three of the seven rounds on paper. This was during my sight picture training.

    She wanted to shoot something else so I mover her up to my G22. Shooting with modern sights she took to sight shooting well. She shot ~20 rounds and then watched me shoot my 5” Government 45 ACP and it was game over!

    She wanted to shoot the Colt! I walked her through the Colt’s safety differences then loaded one round in the mag just to be safe. I told her that any hit inside the bottle outline would stop the BG. I did not tell her where to shoot! I am not setting this up; this photo was her first shot using my Colt Government! Yes I know the slide isn't locked back, this pic was taken as she started to shoot with a fresh mag. Just look at that great grip!

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    Second go a round was two rounds shot double-tap!

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    These three hits are not only her shooting but the first three shots using a 45 ACP! I'm feeling a little easier about her and boyfriends! This is after only 50 rounds shot with the 40 S&W! When I saw she was a natural shooting the glock I taught her double tap. For a 17 year old she has her head screwed on tight! A fast learner and a political conservative! That's my daughter Mari-Kate!

    I will be posting a range report on her first shooting experience. Watch out guys she could give your ego a good thumpin'!
     
  17. skullcrusher

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    Spoken like a true proud papa, Cane!

    Look at that lovely young lady's ear-to-ear smile! :D

    If a date comes to pick her up at the house, you could have her sitting and cleaning a firearm. I'll bet that would make a longer lasting impression than you cleaning a gun when the date comes calling!
     
  18. Jo da Plumbr

    Jo da Plumbr New Member

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    Cute kid cane
    Lucky man
     
  19. canebrake

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    Thanks guys! What I need to do is get her dates to see her like this:

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    Instead of this;


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  20. skullcrusher

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    You have problems on the way, Cane. I'm just glad that I have a son. All I gotta worry about is the boy keeping his pecker in his pants...and that's a few years away.:) Good for you for having a good relationship with her, otherwise you'd have gangstas asking her out.:eek:

    I'm tellin' ya, when the date comes by, have her sitting there cleaning a firearm. Send her out smelling like gun oil and solvent. That will make a guy rethink his plan for the evening. :D