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I skimmed it. It looks pretty reasonable and is worded in a "shall issue" language. The fees are not really that bad either, $65 for the application and then $25 to renew after 5 years.

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Looks pretty reasonable to me. They left in a provision for "home rule". 4 hour training course. Looks like the main disqualifiers outside of the normal can't own a gun stuff is 2 or more DUIs or in patient alcohol counseling. I've never had more than a speeding ticket so I won't have a problem. The home rule is a little concerning but since I refuse to go into ****cago, That's where that might be implemented.

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Well, that was exhausting...

12 Section 15. Citizen Safety and Self-Defense Trust Fund.
13 Fees from applications for licenses shall be deposited into the
14 Citizen Safety and Self-Defense Trust Fund, a special fund that
15 is created in the State treasury. Moneys in the Fund may be
16 invested and any income from investments shall be deposited
17 into the Fund. Subject to appropriation, moneys in the Fund
18 shall exclusively be used to assist the Department with the
19 administrative costs associated with this Act.

So that means the fund will be bankrupt in less than five years and re-licensing fees will end up going through the roof.

19 (b) The Department shall make available on its website and
20 upon request under the Freedom of Information Act statistical
21 information about the number of licenses issued by county, age,
22 race, or gender. The report shall be updated monthly. Except as
23 provided in this subsection, applications and information in
24 the database shall be confidential and exempt from disclosure
25 under the Freedom of Information Act.

Very nice.

7 (b) Applications for renewal of a license shall be made
8 directly to the Department. A license shall be renewed for a
9 period of 5 years upon receipt of a completed renewal
10 application and a $25 renewal fee. The renewal application
11 shall contain the information required in Section 30, except
12 that the applicant need not resubmit a full set of
13 fingerprints. An applicant for a renewal shall submit, on a
14 form prescribed by the Department, proof that the applicant (i)
15 has participated in at least one shooting competition with a
16 handgun within 6 months of the application for renewal, (ii)
17 has completed an equivalent range exercise as prescribed in
18 Section 85 and attested to by any instructor qualified under
19 this Act, a certified law enforcement instructor, or NRA
20 certified instructor or (iii) has completed Firearms
21 Instructor Training under Section 90.

I'm not certain how participating in 'at least one shooting competition' qualifies you to CC?

20 Section 65. Non-resident applications....
...1 stating the applicant (A) is eligible under federal law and the
2 laws of his or her home state to possess a firearm, (B) if
3 applicable, has a license or permit to carry a firearm or
4 concealed firearm issued by his or her home state and that a
5 copy is attached to the application,

Reciprocity looks good for our out of town visitors.

13 Section 70. Restrictions....
...2 (iv) Any establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic
3 beverages for consumption on the premises if less than 50%
4 of its annual gross income comes from the sale of food.
5 (v) Any secure area of an airport to which access is
6 controlled by the inspection of persons and property.
7 (vi) Any place where the carrying of a firearm is
8 prohibited by federal law.
9 (vii) Any elementary or secondary school building
10 without the consent of school authorities. School
11 authorities shall inform the appropriate law enforcement
12 agency and any law enforcement personnel on site of that
13 consent.
14 (viii) Any portion of a building used as a child care
15 facility without the consent of the manager. Nothing in
16 this Section shall prevent the operator of a child care
17 facility in a family home from owning or possessing a
18 firearm or license.
19 (ix) Any gaming facility licensed under the Riverboat
20 Gambling Act or the Illinois Horse Racing Act of 1975.
21 (x) Any gated area of an amusement park.
22 (xi) Any stadium, arena, or collegiate or professional
23 sporting event.
24 (xii) A residential mental health facility.
25 (xiii) Any community college, college, or university
26 building without consent of the school authorities. School
1 authorities shall inform the appropriate law enforcement
2 agency and any law enforcement personnel on site of that
3 consent. A community college, college, or university may
4 prohibit the carrying of a firearm on its campus in a
5 manner that is not inconsistent with subsection (d). If a
6 community college, college, or university elects to
7 prohibit the carrying of firearms on its campus, it shall
8 be civilly liable for any injury from a criminal act upon a
9 person holding a permit for carrying a concealed firearm
10 who was prohibited from carrying a concealed firearm on the
11 premises.
12 (xiv) A public library building without the written
13 consent of the library's governing body. The governing body
14 shall inform the appropriate law enforcement agency of that
15 consent.
21 (b) A municipality, school district, or public or private
22 college, university, or post-secondary educational institution
23 may prohibit or limit licensees from carrying a firearm into or
24 within any building or portion of any building owned, leased,
25 or controlled by the municipality, school district, or public
26 or private college, university, or other post-secondary
1 educational institution by a majority vote of the members of
2 its legislative body or governing board.

So they haven't learned from the NIU shooting, nor any other area where large people congregate.

12 (d) Any person licensed under this Act who is prohibited
13 from carrying a concealed firearm into a building by the
14 provisions of subsection (a) or under an ordinance, resolution,
15 or policy adopted in accordance with subsection (b) or (c)
16 shall be permitted to store that firearm or ammunition out of
17 plain sight in his or her locked vehicle or in a locked
18 compartment or container within or securely affixed to the
19 outside of the vehicle. A licensee shall not be in violation of
20 this Section while he or she is traversing a public right of
21 way that touches or crosses any of the premises specified in
22 subsection (a) or from which firearms are prohibited under the
23 provisions of subsection (b) or (c), provided that the firearm
24 is carried on his or her person in accordance with this Act or
25 is being transported in a firearm in accordance with applicable
26 law.

I read this as a gun-free zone around a school is only limited to stepping out of your vehicle provided the firearm is secured in the vehicle.

4 (e) If a law enforcement officer initiates an investigative
5 stop, including but not limited to a traffic stop, of a
6 licensee who is carrying a concealed firearm, the licensee
7 shall immediately disclose to the officer that he or she is in
8 possession of a concealed firearm pursuant to this Act.
9 Disclosure may be accomplished by oral notification or by
10 providing or displaying the license to carry a concealed
11 firearm to the officer.

25 Section 85. Applicant training.
1 (a) Applicants shall provide proof of completion of at
2 least one of the following courses:
3 (1) NRA Basic Personal Protection In The Home Course.
4 (2) NRA Basics of Personal Protection Outside The Home
5 Course.
6 (3) NRA Basic Pistol Shooting Course.
7 (4) Any other firearms training course of at least 4
8 hours that covers the following:
9 (A) handgun safety in the classroom, at home, on
10 the firing range, and while carrying the firearm;
11 (B) the basic principles of marksmanship;
12 (C) care and cleaning of handguns;
13 (D) laws relating to the justifiable use of force.
14 (b) Applicants shall provide proof of certification by a
15 certified instructor that the applicant passed a live fire
16 exercise with a handgun consisting of:
17 (1) a minimum of 30 rounds; and
18 (2) 20 rounds from a distance of 7 yards and 10 rounds
19 from a distance of 15 yards at a B-21 silhouette or
20 equivalent target as approved by the Department.
21 (b-5) Students shall provide their own safe, functional
22 handgun and factory-loaded ammunition.
23 (b-6) Grades of "passing" shall not be given on range work
24 to an applicant who:
25 (A) does not follow the orders of the certified
26 firearms instructor;
1 (B) in the judgment of the certified firearms
2 instructor, handles a firearm in a manner that poses a
3 danger to the applicant or to others; or
4 (C) during the testing portion of the range work fails
5 to hit the silhouette portion of the target with 70% of the
6 30 rounds fired.
7 (c) The classroom portion of the course may, at the
8 qualified firearms instructor's discretion, be divided into
9 segments of not less than 2 hours each.
10 (d) Applicant training courses shall not be open to anyone
11 under the age of 16 and no certificate of completion shall be
12 issued to persons less than 20 years of age.
13 (e) Instructors shall maintain all records for students'
14 performance for not less than 5 years.
15 (f) Certified firearms instructors shall:
16 (1) allow monitoring of their classes by officials of
17 any certifying agency;
18 (2) make all course records available upon demand to
19 authorized personnel of the Department; and
20 (3) not divulge course records except as authorized by
21 the certifying agency.
22 (g) Fees for applicant training courses shall be set by the
23 instructor.
24 (h) An applicant training course shall not have more than
25 40 students in the classroom portion nor more than 5 students
26 per range officer engaged in range firing.
1 (i) Persons with the following training or certifications
2 are exempt from the requirements of subsection (a) of this
3 Section:
4 (1) An NRA certified instructor.
5 (2) An individual who has qualified to carry a firearm
6 as a retired law enforcement officer.
7 (3) Any active, retired, or honorably discharged
8 member of the armed forces who held a combat related
9 military occupation specialty (MOS).
10 (4) An individual certified as a law enforcement
11 instructor by the Illinois Law Enforcement Training
12 Standards Board or other equivalent agency.
13 Section 90. Firearms instructors training.
14 (a) Not later than 30 days after the effective date of this
15 Act, the Department shall establish a registry of instructors
16 who are eligible to teach courses or sign off on range
17 qualifications, or both, to meet the requirements of Section 85
18 of this Act.

So a live fire component and they need to have a list of authorized instructors. This could take a while.

Under the WTF catagory, they tacked on these (mostly) unrelated amendments:

7 Section 900. The Freedom of Information Act is amended by
8 changing Section 7.5 as follows:

10 Sec. 7.5. Statutory Exemptions. To the extent provided for
11 by the statutes referenced below, the following shall be exempt
12 from inspection and copying:
21 (j) Information and data concerning the distribution of
22 surcharge moneys collected and remitted by wireless carriers
23 under the Wireless Emergency Telephone Safety Act.
1 Section 11-212 of the Illinois Vehicle Code.
2 (l) Records and information provided to a residential
3 health care facility resident sexual assault and death review
4 team or the Executive Council under the Abuse Prevention Review
5 Team Act.
21 (v) Names and information of people who have applied for or
22 received Firearm Owner's Identification Cards under the
23 Firearm Owners Identification Card Act.
4 (y) Information maintained by the Department of State
5 Police in accordance with subsection (a) of Section 35 of the
6 Family and Personal Protection Act, except as authorized by
7 that Act.
15 Sec. 5.826. The Citizen Safety and Self-Defense Trust Fund.
Hmm, where did that invested trust fund money go...
18 (720 ILCS 5/21-6) (from Ch. 38, par. 21-6)
19 Sec. 21-6. Unauthorized Possession or Storage of Weapons.
20 (a) Whoever possesses or stores any weapon enumerated in
21 Section 33A-1 in any building supported in whole or
22 in part with public funds

1 without prior written permission from the chief security
2 officer for such building commits a Class A
3 misdemeanor.
4 (b) The chief security officer must grant any reasonable
5 request for permission under paragraph (a).
6 (c) This Section shall not apply to a person acting
7 lawfully under the Family and Personal Protection Act.
8 (d) Subsection (a) shall not apply to any tenant or
9 resident of any public housing.
10 (Source: P.A. 89-685, eff. 6-1-97.)
...23 (b) Subsections 24-1(a)(4) and 24-1(a)(10) and Section
24 24-1.6 do not apply to or affect any of the following:
25 (1) Members of any club or organization organized for
26 the purpose of practicing shooting at targets upon

1 established target ranges, whether public or private, and
2 patrons of such ranges, while such members or patrons are
3 using their firearms on those target ranges.
4 (2) Duly authorized military or civil organizations
5 while parading, with the special permission of the
6 Governor.
7 (3) Hunters, trappers or fishermen with a license or
8 permit while engaged in hunting, trapping or fishing.
9 (4) Transportation of weapons that are broken down in a
10 non-functioning state or are not immediately accessible.
11 (5) Carrying or possessing any pistol, revolver, stun
12 gun or taser or other firearm on the land or in the legal
13 dwelling of another person as an invitee with that person's
14 permission.
15 (6) A licensee under the Family and Personal Protection
16 Act, notwithstanding Section 70 of that Act, if the
17 licensee meets the requirements of the Family and Personal
18 Protection Act.

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This IMHO is amazing news! Judiciary hearing is today, and as it is written it sounds like any of us with FOID cards will fairly easily be able to get a CCW

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per my recent reading on a recent hearing regarding IL CCW......sounds like some of dem arrrogant cook county politrickmasters are saying the appeals court cant rule on illinois state laws.....imagine that:rolleyes:

Prosecutors in Chicago are telling state lawmakers they can essentially ignore a federal court ruling and not legalize concealed carry in Illinois.

The Illinois House on Tuesday held the first of two statewide hearings on how to legally allow people to carry a gun in the state. Illinois is the only state in the nation that bars anyone from carrying a pistol outside their home. In December, the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals said Illinois must change that.

But Paul Castiglione, policy director for the Cook County State’s Attorney’s office, told lawmakers there is no need for a new law.

“Only the Illinois Supreme Court can declare a statue from (the legislature) unconstitutional,” Castiglione told lawmakers Tuesday. “I heard (someone) say that after 180 days our UUW (unlawful use of weapon) statute is unconstitutional. Not so.”

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Yeah, I was listening to his testimony. According to what was said, the courts ruling doesn't remove the important parts of the UUW AUUW statute. Which means no CC, however that is his interpretation of it. I don't believe Lisa Madigan has made a statemnt regarding her views on it.

On a good note the 7th Circuit Court denied her hearing of an en banc appeal. So the only other place she can take it is to the Supreme Court.

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Discussion Starter · #9 ·

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I am a bit confused over the rush to pass a bill allowing concealed carry by those on the gunowners’ side. Because of the two court rulings, those that believe the “right to keep and bear arms” by individuals is both important and sacrosanct, now have the upper hand over the Chicago Democrats who have ignored both the rights and the will of those who have sought concealed carry for years.

If legislators do nothing other than oppose bills regarding concealed carry and keep them from passing we will have concealed carry by default in less than 3 months. That is truly a powerful tool to get exactly what is reasonable without any compromise with those who would steal our rights, and frankly, I have no pity for them. They have opposed every reasonable effort in the past to put citizens of the State of Illinois on a parity with citizens of other states and have made many legislators spend hours in turmoil trying to find a compromise they would accept, while dealing with your angry and frustrated constituents. They deserve what they might get.

On the other hand, I also understand why some legislators are uneasy with allowing gun owners the same rights that the citizens of Vermont, Arizona, Alaska, Montana, Texas, and Wyoming already have in constitutional carry and that Indiana, Iowa, Ohio, Rhode Island, Utah, Virginia, Wisconsin have legislation pending on. Illinois citizens are evidently inferior in some way to citizens in those other states, at least in the eyes of our elected officials.

In looking at H.B. 0997, I am puzzled by some things. The constitution, and the court ruling, refer to bearing arms and not just handguns, yet the bill limits concealed carry of weapons to handguns rather than arms. My question is, “Why”? If I am considered qualified to carry a handgun with a very strong potential of lethality, then why am I not qualified to carry a collapsible baton, or a blackjack for the same reasons that police officers carry them – as a less lethal option than drawing and firing a handgun. The same could be said of stun guns and Tasers, which many (especially women) would like to have as an option. Personally, I would much prefer the option of stunning someone with a baton or blackjack to shooting them, yet apparently, if this bill passes, a handgun will be my only option if I feel myself in potentially mortal danger.

Much of what is contained in H.B. 0997 was from an earlier compromise bill attempt. We no longer need to compromise. Before this bill moves too far ahead, please consider the fact that we do not need to please Chicago Democrats to achieve what we want. If they are to get anything, they need to please you and the gun owners of this state. Why are we squandering what the Courts have handed us?

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Chance, actually the time frame is just over 3 months, and I agree,
stagnation is better than a bill. Constitional carry would be a better option
in my opinion. 997 although is not a bad bill. 1155 will be a horrible bill.

I agree with you in that other than firearms should be included, like tazers,

Discussing here is great writing our legislators in more important, I am
going to write a letter and send it to every newpaper I can.

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There is no way they are going to let us go constitutional carry. They won't want to lose out on the revenue that issuing permits will generate.

Of course, the way this state is run he whole thing will be borrowed against or bankrupt within a year.

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There is no way they are going to let us go constitutional carry. They won't want to lose out on the revenue that issuing permits will generate.

Of course, the way this state is run he whole thing will be borrowed against or bankrupt within a year.
While you do have valid points; I will add that the Downstate Dems and the
Chi-town Dem are at odds over this lesgislation. And there just maybe
enough friction to start a fire over it. The Chi town criminals will not support
997, it takes their power away, and Down staters are supporting it.

HB1155 will not have a chance in hell and is just fodder for Madigan and his
gang of criminals to be able to point at and say here we tried. But in reality
they did not.

Federal courts did us a great favor in imposing a dead line, the bid question
is will Springfield be able to get out of it own way and pass a bill by Mid
June??? Past performace would have you betting that they will not; but
they have never had a real fire lit under their butts like this before.

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ccw legislation

Well, right now HB 1155 is the bill that is being pushed, since it is Madigans bill. There are I think 43 amendments sofar and growing daily. Latest one ( not yet voted on) says you have to go to a psych doctor and get an evaluation in writing that says you are able to take care of yourself without outside help, and dont have any mental issues. Then that has to be submitted with your application. And that this will also apply to new and renewed FOID applications. The whole thing is a clusterF##k. I say just let the time run out and see what happens. HB1156 is also a shell bill they are holding if they need it.

stay safe

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Discussion Starter · #15 ·
Well, right now HB 1155 is the bill that is being pushed, since it is Madigans bill. There are I think 43 amendments sofar and growing daily. Latest one ( not yet voted on) says you have to go to a psych doctor and get an evaluation in writing that says you are able to take care of yourself without outside help, and dont have any mental issues. Then that has to be submitted with your application. And that this will also apply to new and renewed FOID applications. The whole thing is a clusterF##k. I say just let the time run out and see what happens. HB1156 is also a shell bill they are holding if they need it.

stay safe
I agree wait out the anti's; we have the votes let June 8th pass have Constitutional carry and **** them...

The anti's are running scared they know they do not have the votes; the
Federal Courts ruled against them. We just need to stay strong and wait
them out!!!



House Speaker Michael Madigan and his gun-grabber pals have just reintroduced their magazine ban as Amendment 12 to HB1156.


If this ban passes, you will have to go down to the police station and register your magazines that hold more than 10 rounds and you will have to sign an oath that you will never sell them to anyone else.


Of course, sales of new magazines holding more than 10 rounds would be BANNED.

It’s very important that you make these calls. We realize that you’ve been called upon to act many times so far this year. But your continued support is crucial. Madigan and the gun-grabbers are hoping that you will get tired of defending your rights.



1. Call your state representative and politely tell them you are a law-abiding gun owner who objects to magazine bans. Politely advise them to vote NO on Amendment 12 – the magazine ban. If you do not know who your state representative is, then the Illinois State Board of Elections has a new interactive search page here:

If you know who your representative is, you can find their contact info here:

2. Post this alert to any and all Internet Bulletin Boards or blogs to which you subscribe.

3. Pass this alert on to your friends and family and ask them to call their legislators as well.
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