Illegal Stops occurring across USA?

Discussion in 'The Club House' started by cbw, Oct 20, 2008.

  1. cbw

    cbw New Member

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    While surfing the net I came across a site that tracks illegal road stops across the USA. I'm sure you have run up on some of these, they are set up as DUI check-points, Drug checkpoints, Safety checks etc.. Anyway if this is true information it's scary to think that we are losing more freedoms and maybe not aware of it. Anyway here is the link to the site, check it out and provide some feedback. https://www.checkpointusa.org/

    If you work you way around the page you will see some very police state equipment that is being used, and I have seen some of this in use.:eek:
     
  2. bkt

    bkt New Member

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    A trucker called in to a local talk show host on the radio to report he had been pulled over and detained. He was initially told it was a routine D.O.T. stop only to later find they were looking for untaxed fuel and drugs.

    He was lied to by law enforcement, and there was no probable cause for being pulled over. The driver said he went back in his car later and saw other trucks had also been pulled over for the same check.

    This took place in Tonawanda, New York on the Thruway (Rt 90) I think he said.
     

  3. cbw

    cbw New Member

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    So big brother is at work, not that I ever had doubts!
     
  4. ticktwrter

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    As a police officer in the midwest, I don't see these events happening like you say. Sobriety checkpoints are allowed by Indiana law and also have requirement of what needs to be done to have such an event. We no longer can conduct seat belt checkpoints in Indiana. I'm sure there are some officers who uses these events for other than pure events, but that is the vast minority. I am a very pro-second amendment officer as are the majority of officers I know and work with. I think it does a disservice for those who think that law enforcement is out to get them.
     
  5. NickoD

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    I have to put my cop hat on and say that I don't see any problems with random checks, especially to catch DUI drivers. I am not sure where all the "big brother" comments are coming from. If you are a legal, registered, and sober driver you have nothing to worry about.

    Just this weekend we stopped a drunk driver that had a 2 month year old in the car with him. His wife was at home so drunk that she had stopped breathing. In his drunkeness instead of calling 911 he decided to drive around to "find a cop".

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  6. BigO01

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    Cops/Government entities are always pulling illegal/stupid crap and trying to get away with it .

    We just had a local news piece the other day where this Lady's parked car was stolen , she reported it as soon as she discovered it , couple of days later she gets one of those Photo tickets in the mail with a time/day stamp on it .

    Lucky for her it happened after she had already reported it stolen , yet when she called the Department that issued it and explained everything they had the nerve to tell her she was still responsible for the ticket as the burden of proof was on her and she would need to show up for court and talk to the judge . Funny they changed their tune and the PA called her back and told her to forget the whole thing after she called a TV station and they did a story on it on the news .

    O and the picture was of the rear of the car going through the light and the drivers face couldn't be seen .

    Now it seems by owning a vehicle your automatically guilty of any crime it was involved in and they don't have to prove anything else , which is total BS .

    I think if the Founders were to rise from the dead they would take one look at our current government and begin chanting " Armed Revolt , Armed Revolt" It's way past time for talking with these people .
     
  7. cbw

    cbw New Member

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    The "big brother" comment is not directed towards "cops" as much as the government (local or national) interfering with the average citizens ability to drive from point A to B. I will put my "sick of this $%i^ hat on" and say that it sure seams funny that every major holiday when the working person gets the opportunity to let off some steam, there are always additional "traffic safety checkpoints" or some other BS put up to interrupt out lives. I DO NOT IN ANY WAY support people who drive under the influence of ANYTHING! I also do not hold the police at fault as they are just following orders, it's the people who give these orders that I have a problem with, and YES I do vote to rid the system of these types if I know who they are.:mad:
     
  8. bkt

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    Law Enforcement officers around the country deserve our praise and thanks. There may be a few screw-ups out there, but the vast majority seem to be very professional people who put their lives on the line daily for precious little thanks. So, thank you.

    That said, the following never gets old:
    Amendment 4 - Search and Seizure. Ratified 12/15/1791.
    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
    I don't take kindly to being detained, even briefly, at checkpoints when I have not given anyone probable cause. Some may not see a problem with it, but many people do and the law is on their side.

    This is a tiny, insignificant, pointless, ridiculous little thing to ***** about. But add it to the ever-growing very large list of such things, and the aggregate doesn't point to anything good. Someone in another thread wrote this quote by Aristotle: "Revolutions are not about trifles, but they are produced by trifles." How 'bout we try to reduce the number of trifles rather than increasing them or defending them?
     
  9. cbw

    cbw New Member

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    Clubhouse-Open forum -general discussion, talk about anything, did I leave the planet? :confused:
     
  10. BigO01

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    Man you ain't kiddin with those stupid "checkpoints"

    Last time I got caught in one was a Christmas night when the kids were little and it was so stupid .

    After the normal morning with the kids doing their thing then we had to start the rounds , my parents , her parents I'm sure you all know the drill .

    Last visit was a Nephews house and we watched a kids/Christmas movie and then left near midnight .

    Get stopped in a trap and had to pull into a strip mall lot , Two kids asleep one awake needs to P as does the wife , it's 10 degrees wind howling snowing you name it and they didn't even want to see my license or anything just want me to join them for a cup of coffee and donuts in a big Tent like deal they have set up with the help of a Lions club .

    Cops were nice but after having 3 rotate to the car to get in my face to see if they could smell booze asking me to have some refreshment I had had it .

    Asked if they had a Porta potty for the kid and wife , no of course they didn't , asked if I was suppose to come have a chat and a donut while they wet their pants in the car and they finally looked embarrassed and pointed to the exit , cleared they way and let us go .
     
  11. SGT-MILLER

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    Blame the people that are driving drunk, not the police or the government for the checkpoints.

    If people would get it through their head that drinking and driving don't mix, then there wouldn't be much of a need for checkpoints.

    At the same time, there is no need for the cocky police officers out there abusing their power, and making life miserable for everyone.

    Big001:
    Yet another reference to using violence against the government as the answer. What is wrong with you? Have you done anything to help or address your problem other than complaining on a gun forum, and alluding to the fact that armed violence against the government is the only answer?
     
  12. DuckA

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    Yeah, The Fuhrer says you're fine as long as you have your armband and papers........
     
  13. Ram Rod

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    Interesting website. You do know that your driver's license can be revoked at any time for no good reason right? It's not a right to drive, it's a priviledge ganted to you through the 'system'.
     
  14. bkt

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    No, I blame the police for the checkpoints because they're the ones who set them up.

    If I'm driving erratically, pull me over and give me a sobriety test. But don't stop me and a bunch of others in a dragnet operation looking for drunks when none of us have given any indication of driving under the influence.

    The thing is, it's not just drunk-driving checks. There are "safety" checks, "seatbelt" checks, and as I noted in a previous post "untaxed fuel" and "drug" checks. Where does it stop? When do they run out of excuses to detain presumed-innocent people to look for offenses?

    Driving is indeed a privilege, not a right. Using a road (walking, biking), however, is a right, not a privilege. If I haven't given anyone cause to believe I am driving drunk or carrying drugs, please leave me the hell alone to go about my business.

    What's next, cops demanding to see our "papers" as we walk down the street?
     
  15. Angeleyes

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    If you are a legal sober driver you should not be stopped PERIOD
    It's a damn outrage!
    Maybe upstanding Americans should stop cops randomly to see that they are really cops or if their drunk! Good cops would have nothing to worry about. Right?
    Get your mind right!
     
  16. BigO01

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    There isn't a Damn thing "wrong with me" Thank You !

    As a matter of fact like millions of other Americans I have voted , written letters , emails and on occasion spoken to elected Representatives in various local positions .

    Just like those millions I am sick of the implication from people like you that we are somehow to blame for the crap these people pull after electing them to a position based on what they say in a campaign and then turn around and do as they please once in the job .

    One assumes he isn't dealing with little kids that have to be stood over and babysat every second of every day to keep the word they spent months giving their constituents .

    This country and it's politicians have veered so far off course with their Socialization and taxation garbage refusing to enforce the laws of the land and trying at every turn to destroy the very document that outlines our freedoms the Founders wouldn't know it .

    Look at just one example the recent "Heller decision" where the 2A was defined by the Supreme Court to be what we always knew it was yet the Court doesn't have it's own enforcement division and as such enforcement is up to the Executive branch .

    Where is the President in enforcing that Ruling and jailing Mayors , Governors etc. etc. who are defying the ruling by leaving their Unconstitutional handgun Bans in place in cities throughout the Nation ?

    Where are the National guard troops that they turned lose on Americans in the 60's , only this time to protect them from the gangs and criminal scum that infest so many cities until they have time to buy their own guns to take responsibility for their own safety ?

    Even the politicians in DC are completely ignoring the ruling and they should be jailed for contempt of court , yet has anything happened to them ?

    Has Bush even held any meetings to address the problem ?

    The answer is NO he hasn't nor does he or any other politician intend to do a damn thing about it .

    One can only be reasonable with a reasonable person and once in office none of the politicians are reasonable enough to even Obey the laws written by the Founders and all do as they please until it's time to drag out their barrel of lies to get reelected .

    At that point the Constitution was written with a provision to give the citizens of the nation an option to take stronger action than to just cast a vote and hope because hoping doesn't work .

    Just today Bill Clinton came to my state and had the audacity to speak about how Obama will fix this and that problem that has existed for 20+ years like Social Security when the man personally had 8 years in the White House to fix the problems he was listing and not a single person Booed or questioned him on why he didn't fix it himself !

    Instead all you see is thousands of idiots all cheering , clapping and waving as they eat up the usual election year BS they Spew !
     
  17. phrogmech

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    Hate to tell ya, We dont have any rights only what the goverment allows us to have.
     
  18. bkt

    bkt New Member

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    I'm not sure if that's tongue-in-cheek pragmatism or if you really believe that.
     
  19. Northwoods

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    Just a couple of points:

    The police are like privates in the foxholes and trenches. They (generally) didn't think up the plan. They (probably) weren't consulted. They definately did not have a veto over the proposed activity and they are unlikely to be enjoying it anymore than you are. The fault lies with the politicians and political appointees (the generals and colonels).

    There probably are a few jerks who are of an obnoxious and sadistic bent who do enjoy it. There always are a few of them in any organization. They are attracted to power. The time to object is NOT at the occurance. That is bad from all aspects; tactically, politically and media-wise, just to cite a few. Keep your cool and observe so you can more effectively respond later.

    People who have been stopped need to apply pressure where it will do the most good. Don't let local politicians forget about how angry you and other people are. Confront them IN PUBLIC APPEARENCES about it. Recruit sympathic street cops to back you up at public meetings with the officers (generals and colonels) that you force the politicians to hold. Invovle the media (someone here posted about how fast a DA and public affairs officer responded when the story hit the TV).

    Your enemies are not the street cops. Your enemies are the political thugs hiding behind the street cops. The street cops are (generally) being abused just as you are. If you attack the street cops, you will just drive them to the political scum that is causing the problem and you will make the situation worse.

    The main issue, imo, is that we no longer have a legal system based on the "presumption of innocence". The rule now is "prove your innocence". This is a MAJOR change in legal philosophy. The "prove your innocence" mindset is the basis for totalitarian state tryannies. This is the underlying reason people become so upset; the arbitrary and totalitarian nature of the practice.

    These road blocks and "travel document" checks will only radicalize and alienate the people.

    You see those results right here.
     
  20. pioneer461

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    I visited the web page, where I saw a lot of speculation and guessing about what might happen some day, and photo-shopped pictures of "Police State" armored vehicles. I remember seeing a lot of the same sort of nonsense in the year leading up to Y-2-K, none of which came to pass. Anyone else remember the impending U.N. invasion, including busses with built in handcuff anchors, white U.N. suv's hidden at a secret U.N. base in Montana, and concentration camps being built? They had to be U.N. vehicles, bucuz they were white, and no one other than the U.N. has white vehicle. Right? I wonder what happened to all of that?

    I recall the panic and hysteria about the military's urban combat training in 1999, with fears that the US Military was about to take over Peanutsville, Georgia. As it turns out, the lessons learned in those training exercises came in kind of handy in Iraq.

    If you are really concerned about it, don't drive intoxicated and don't carry your dope in your car or truck.

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